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House GOP leaders scramble to pass plan

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House GOP leaders scramble to pass plan - Jake Sherman and Burgess Everett and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

House Republican leaders are moving forward with a bill Tuesday to lift the debt ceiling, reopen government and enact a host of other policies.

The bill is expected to be marked up in the House Rules Committee late Tuesday afternoon, and will make its way to the floor Tuesday evening. Republican leadership has not formally whipped the bill, and they are not sure it will pass the House.

If it does, Senate Democrats have made clear the measure has no chance on the other side of the Capitol. It’s unclear whether the two chambers will be able to agree on a budget deal before the U.S. exhausts its borrowing authority on Thursday.

The decision to hold a vote comes after House GOP leaders scrambled all afternoon to rewrite the bill to satisfy the desires of different pockets of lawmakers.

As a result, Republicans have dropped a provision that would have repealed a tax on medical devices. Earlier Tuesday, a senior GOP aide was touting it as a common-sense change that the White House and Democratic Senate should accept. They have also dropped a provision that would’ve required the Department of Health and Human Services to verify the income of individuals who receive subsidies under Obamacare.

In addition, Republicans are including the so-called Vitter amendment, which cancels health-insurance subsidies for Capitol Hill staffers in addition to members of Congress, the president, vice president and the White House cabinet.

Government funding will run until Dec. 15 — earlier Tuesday, GOP leaders proposed keeping government open until Jan. 15. The debt ceiling will be lifted until Feb. 7, and the legislation bars the Treasury Department from using extraordinary measures to extend the debt limit.

if anyone wants to comment, be my guess.
 
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The House will vote on a Republican proposal Tuesday evening to lift the debt limit until February, reopen the federal government until mid-December, and force everyone from the president to Capitol Hill staffers to pay more for their health insurance.

It’s a drastic reversal for the House Republicans Conference, which once tried to force President Barack Obama and Democrats to agree to trillions of dollars in spending cuts as a price for raising the nation borrowing limit. This latest House GOP bill, offered just two days before a potentially catastrophic default by the U.S. government on its $16.7 trillion debt, contains virtually no spending cuts.

Reading the above, and the rest of the article, I can't for the life of me figure out what the Democrat objection is in order to declare it DOA. The article does not say. It only says the Democrats declare it DOA.
 
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Reading the above, and the rest of the article, I can't for the life of me figure out what the Democrat objection is in order to declare it DOA. The article does not say. It only says the Democrats declare it DOA.

they won't accept the Vitter amendment... they are sticking firmly by their position that Congress should get special treatment when it comes to Obamacare.
 
If the Senate gives in to the GOP blackmail on the debt ceiling, there will be political chaos for years to come. It will open the floodgates of any majority party in the House threatening to shut down the economy whenever they don't like some law or policy they can't overturn by legislation.

So I support the Senate Democrats on this. If the GOP wants to negotiate legislation they lost on, then the Democrats must do the same and require tax hikes for the rich, gun control, and so forth.
 
they won't accept the Vitter amendment... they are sticking firmly by their position that Congress should get special treatment when it comes to Obamacare.

it's not the congress, it is the congress's staff who get shafted by this amendment.
 
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Reading the above, and the rest of the article, I can't for the life of me figure out what the Democrat objection is in order to declare it DOA. The article does not say. It only says the Democrats declare it DOA.

here are some differances between the senate's plan and the house plan, according to the politico article

There are key differences between the House and Senate bill. The Senate bill stiffens income verification requirements for individuals who receive Obamacare subsidies – though this provision is in flux in the Senate.

But the Senate bill creates a bicameral negotiating committee, while the House’s bill does not.

The House bill also stops Treasury from using extraordinary measures to prevent default, a provision that’s not in the Senate plan. The Senate’s bill also cancels a tax on insurance plan, in a concession to unions, which is not in the House’s bill.

The House proposal immediately complicated the timeline in the Senate, where Republicans were supposed to hold a morning caucus for McConnell (R-Ky.) to brief his members on the Senate plan. That was delayed until the afternoon in the wake of news from the lower chamber.

also the senate was caught off gaurd by this house proposal, considering that there were still negotiations going on between Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell.
 
it's not the congress, it is the congress's staff who get shafted by this amendment.

it's congresscritters too.... they are counting on their "employer contribution" to fund their plans.

under their old insurance, they received a 75% "employer contribution"... and they still want it.
problem is, the law they passed (Obamacare) clearly bars them from receiving this "employer contribution".... but they still want it.

it's kinda funny really, Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to make sure they will not be bound by the rules set out in Obamacare.... rules they, themselves, passed....all on their lonesome.
 
here are some differances between the senate's plan and the house plan, according to the politico article



also the senate was caught off gaurd by this house proposal, considering that there were still negotiations going on between Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell.

Most of those differences look to favor Democrat preferences, though. Is it because it doesn't include (Politico's term, not mine) the "concession to unions"?

I don't see why negotiations between Reid and McConnell would matter -- it's a good bill or it isn't. If the House were to pass a bill giving the Democrats all of their wildest fantasies, I doubt very much they'd care if negotiations were going on in the Senate or not.

Look, this thing needs to be solved. The Republicans, with this bill, appear to be providing pretty darn close to the "clean" CR the Democrats say they're waiting for. It opens the government, raises the debt ceiling, and staves off default, all while dropping the spending cuts they wanted, or defunding Obamacare. The objections look like quibbles to me, and procedural ones to boot. It's DOA in the Senate because of that?
 
apparently there won't be a house vote tonight at all.

GOP leadership delayed its consideration of a bill to reopen government and lift the debt ceiling because it didn’t have the votes to squeeze the bill through the chamber, senior GOP sources said.

Leadership put off a meeting of the House Rules Committee, which would’ve set up the procedure to bring the bill to the House floor on Tuesday night.

It’s unclear what Speaker John Boehner’s team will do next. This could, once again, sideline the House in any deal to end the shutdown and raise the debt ceiling, kicking action over to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). The default deadline looms on Thursday and the government has now been closed for more than two weeks

House vote delayed, chaos continues - POLITICO.com
 
here are some differances between the senate's plan and the house plan, according to the politico article



also the senate was caught off gaurd by this house proposal, considering that there were still negotiations going on between Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell.

wow, Senate Democrat are trying to cancel the tax on cadillac plans as a gimme to Unions?... even after Obama said he wouldn't go for it?

interesting.
 
also the senate was caught off gaurd by this house proposal, considering that there were still negotiations going on between Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell.

The Senate should read Politico articles at night..
All of Cantor's moves were chronicled last night..Like NOT wanting to take away the medical device tax,
a Repub position, because 76 Senators wanted to do as the House used to want to do.
 
Most of those differences look to favor Democrat preferences, though. Is it because it doesn't include (Politico's term, not mine) the "concession to unions"?

I don't see why negotiations between Reid and McConnell would matter -- it's a good bill or it isn't. If the House were to pass a bill giving the Democrats all of their wildest fantasies, I doubt very much they'd care if negotiations were going on in the Senate or not.

Look, this thing needs to be solved. The Republicans, with this bill, appear to be providing pretty darn close to the "clean" CR the Democrats say they're waiting for. It opens the government, raises the debt ceiling, and staves off default, all while dropping the spending cuts they wanted, or defunding Obamacare. The objections look like quibbles to me, and procedural ones to boot. It's DOA in the Senate because of that?

the senate were negotiating and they were making progress, news of the house proposal blindsided the senate leadership and threw all of the previously made plans into chaos.
 
wow, Senate Democrat are trying to cancel the tax on cadillac plans as a gimme to Unions?..

I'll give you that union tax back if you give me back 'repealing the medical device tax', a normal Repub position, no taxes, but the House wants to be opposite..
See how that works..A win-win for Repubs if Obama agrees to both..more of Cantor's 'false-equivalency'.
 
Most of those differences look to favor Democrat preferences, though. Is it because it doesn't include (Politico's term, not mine) the "concession to unions"?

I don't see why negotiations between Reid and McConnell would matter -- it's a good bill or it isn't. If the House were to pass a bill giving the Democrats all of their wildest fantasies, I doubt very much they'd care if negotiations were going on in the Senate or not.

Look, this thing needs to be solved. The Republicans, with this bill, appear to be providing pretty darn close to the "clean" CR the Democrats say they're waiting for. It opens the government, raises the debt ceiling, and staves off default, all while dropping the spending cuts they wanted, or defunding Obamacare. The objections look like quibbles to me, and procedural ones to boot. It's DOA in the Senate because of that?

why wouldn't it be DOA?...Democrats, including the President don't feel like they need to negotiate or compromise on anything... they have been very clear on the point.
 
why wouldn't it be DOA?...Democrats, including the President don't feel like they need to negotiate or compromise on anything... they have been very clear on the point.

at this moment it is DOA in the house. the house is not even going to have a vote tonight.
 
the senate were negotiating and they were making progress, news of the house proposal blindsided the senate leadership and threw all of the previously made plans into chaos.

That's a reason to declare a good bill DOA? That's childish.
 
I'll give you that union tax back if you give me back 'repealing the medical device tax', a normal Repub position, no taxes, but the House wants to be opposite..
See how that works..A win-win for Repubs if Obama agrees to both..more of Cantor's 'false-equivalency'.

so you're trying to sell me on Senate Democrats laying the grundwork for a Republican win-win?.....wtf?
 
apparently there won't be a house vote tonight at all.
Not necessarily, since the Chair reserves the right to bring it up tonight and they wouldn't say they would/wouldn't..Meanwhile, after Her.Ac. caused Boehner to pull his bill..Dammit rev..I had DeMint on the my next type..
 
why wouldn't it be DOA?...Democrats, including the President don't feel like they need to negotiate or compromise on anything... they have been very clear on the point.

Not that the don't need to negotiate, but they shouldn't. It's political blackmail. But if negotiations are in order then let's negotiate everything -- higher taxes on the rich, gun control, cuts to the military, and so forth.

You can't have your attack on Obamacare and eat it too.
 
No, I'm explaining how Cantor/DeMint are plotting a win-win-win-win-win..
Cantor's budget is a win, his words..
Repubs want Dec. 15th, not Jan. 15th..
Now Heritage Action/GOP is back to removing ACA..
Losing the Union tax is a win..
Losing the Medical Device would be a win, though the House said NO just because they could.
so you're trying to sell me on Senate Democrats laying the grundwork for a Republican win-win?.....wtf?
 
Democrats, including the President don't feel like they need to negotiate or compromise on anything... they have been very clear on the point.
Obama is Preventing a President Christie from this same bat-**** craziness when Dems have the House again in 2016..
 
Not necessarily, since the Chair reserves the right to bring it up tonight and they wouldn't say they would/wouldn't..Meanwhile, after Her.Ac. caused Boehner to pull his bill..Dammit rev..I had DeMint on the my next type..

i'm sorry to break your rant nimby (oh wait nevermind) but the story has been confirmed.

House GOP May Cancel Vote | National Review Online

now i don't read national reveiw, but Robert Costa has been pretty accurate in describing what is going on in the republican caucus.

House Debt Ceiling, Government Shutdown Vote Dead: Report
 

Any Republican who voted for the previous bills that the Senate refused to pass would be foolish to pass any legislation that reopens the government for a couple of months, extends the debt ceiling to allow for a few more months borrowing, and then finds themselves in the same position in January/February next year.

They've taken their stand, they should stand their ground, until such time as serious action is taken to address their concerns and the debt ceiling and funding issues are solved at least through the 2014 election when the people will once again have a chance to express their opinion on the actions of congress.
 
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