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Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

Sparklet said:
That wasn't the point. I'm in a bad mood and I find it annoying as **** when people misread my posts =/
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What's to misread about calling someone (whose name is in a primary color no less) an idiot?
 
X Factor said:
What's to misread about calling someone (whose name is in a primary color no less) an idiot?
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No not that, it's the reason why I thought the mod was an idiot.
 
Sparklet said:
No not that, it's the reason why I thought the mod was an idiot.
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How about you post why you disagree rather than calling him a name?

Edit: Never mind. Lol.
 
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Sparklet said:
By reading this, how many people would classify you as an idiot ? I bet everyone would. I can't believe you're a moderator with this lack of knowledge and you appear to have the brain of a mouse, you are a moron.

I mean seriously !! You don't know what you're talking about so I'm surprised you have the brains to be a moderator. IT ACTUALLY SAYS IN THE ARTICLE THAT IT WAS BY AN ATHLETE !!! I DON'T KNOW WHY THE HELL YOU'D GO MAKING ALL THIS SHIIIT UP WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE=YOU
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Not even 20 posts. Damn, this has to be a record.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Sparklet is taking a vacation folks, let's ignore the attempts to derail and hop back on topic. Thanks everyone.
 
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Gipper said:
Not even 20 posts. Damn, this has to be a record.
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For real. Even Cot_Death got further than this.
 
Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

Sparklet said:
That wasn't the point. I'm in a bad mood and I find it annoying as **** when people misread my posts =/
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Other posters are not required, nor expected to understand your moods. They are also not restricted from responding however they wish, as long as it is within the rules established for the site. Most of us are grown-ups here, and can take what we dish out.
 
Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

The 1950's called. They want their thread back.

Honestly, some of the responses in this thread have made me nauseous, but given some posters' history such remarks were to be expected. Others were not expected, and to say I am desperately disillusioned would be an understatement.

This entire thread makes me want to puke, when an unconscious 14 yr old is called a slut and a whore, a family is driven out of town by threats and harassment, and prosecutors refuse to move forward because a terrified child who cannot even remember what happened to her is too terrified to cooperate, despite the fact that there are myriad spectators who are willing to testify to what they saw. This thread is a poster-child for what is wrong with American society today. Shame on some of you... and you all know who you are. :(
 
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DiAnna said:
The 1950's called. They want their thread back.

Honestly, some of the responses in this thread have made me nauseous, but given some posters' history such remarks were to be expected. Others were not expected, and to say I am desperately disillusioned would be an understatement.

This entire thread makes me want to puke, when an unconscious 14 yr old is called a slut and a whore, a family is driven out of town by threats and harassment, and prosecutors refuse to move forward because a terrified child who cannot even remember what happened to her is too terrified to cooperate, despite the fact that there are myriad spectators who are willing to testify to what they saw. This thread is a poster-child for what is wrong with American society today. Shame on some of you... and you all know who you are. :(
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That's a whole lot of assumptions you're making there, Di. I don't agree with calling the girl names and I haven't done that, but neither do I think someone should be convicted based on a sensationalized article (that seems to have conveniently left out a lot of the less salacious details).
 
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DiAnna said:
The 1950's called. They want their thread back.

Honestly, some of the responses in this thread have made me nauseous, but given some posters' history such remarks were to be expected. Others were not expected, and to say I am desperately disillusioned would be an understatement.

This entire thread makes me want to puke, when an unconscious 14 yr old is called a slut and a whore, a family is driven out of town by threats and harassment, and prosecutors refuse to move forward because a terrified child who cannot even remember what happened to her is too terrified to cooperate, despite the fact that there are myriad spectators who are willing to testify to what they saw. This thread is a poster-child for what is wrong with American society today. Shame on some of you... and you all know who you are. :(
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"Interesting. What I find to be telling is a person's inability to read and/or understand that which came before."
So shame on you.
She wasn't unconscious.
The folks who saw the video say she was conscious and a willing participant.
 
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lizzie said:
If your case is legitimate, and you are dedicated to the truth winning out, you have to be willing to stay dedicated, no matter the outside pressure. What it tells me is that they were either doubtful of their own position, or they lacked moral courage.
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It's such a shame the majority of people don't live in that fairy tale world you speak of. I mean, it seems so improbable that a witness/victim would refuse to cooperate and yet.... it happens quite regularly in our world - regardless of whether the person on trial is found guilty or not.

http://tbo.com/news/crime/key-witne...-man-accused-of-slaying-tampa-teens-20131006/
http://www.montereyherald.com/news/ci_24124933/p-g-murder-trial-key-witness-may-not
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/05/scared_teen_witness_refuses_to.html
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/...ss-refuses-to-testify-throws-trial-into-chaos
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-11-04/news/0911030605_1_testify-murder-trial-co-defendants
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2013/08/24/2538926/witness-jailed-for-refusing-to.html
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...nesses-Refuse-To-Testify-At-Benghazi-Hearings
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...use-to-testify-in-loyalist-trial-2359443.html

Somebody refusing to testify or cooperate doesn't tell you or anybody else jack **** about their motives for not cooperating. It doesn't even tell you anything about whether or not they want justice. Now obviously, you'll counter some lollygagging diatribe of a post where you tell us all how pure of heart you are. However, the reality is you're not in whatever situation people who refuse to cooperate are in - so you have absolutely no clue why they refuse to cooperate. All you have is an armchair psychologist's opinion on the matter.
 
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Hatuey said:
Somebody refusing to testify or cooperate doesn't tell you or anybody else jack **** about their motives for not cooperating. It doesn't even tell you anything about whether or not they want justice. Now obviously, you'll counter some lollygagging diatribe of a post where you tell us all how pure of heart you are. However, the reality is you're not in whatever situation people who refuse to cooperate are in - so you have absolutely no clue why they refuse to cooperate. All you have is an armchair psychologist's opinion on the matter.
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Well, you know what? If it were my daughter, you can bet your ass I would be trying to find justice for her, no matter the obstacles. As for your links, it's different with murder cases. Rape cases don't usually go forward without victim cooperation.
 
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lizzie said:
Well, you know what? If it were my daughter, you can bet your ass I would be trying to find justice for her, no matter the obstacles.
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Find her justice?
For what?
By the evidence the girl in this instance was not unconscious and was a willing participant.
 
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Excon said:
Find her justice?
For what?
By the evidence the girl in this instance was not unconscious and was a willing participant.
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If it were my daughter I would not see it that way. My instinct would be protective, regardless of the circumstances.
 
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lizzie said:
If it were my daughter I would not see it that way. My instinct would be protective, regardless of the circumstances.
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I would hope that you are not the type of parent who thinks their child can do no wrong regardless of the evidence.
You can be protective and still accept the evidence as it is.
 
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Excon said:
I would hope that you are not the type of parent who thinks their child can do no wrong regardless of the evidence.
You can be protective and still accept the evidence as it is.
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You have likely never met a parent who was more likely to apply the tough love approach, as that is exactly what I did with my own son, but there is no doubt that if this story were about my daughter, my protective instincts would be front and center, and if I believed she had been raped, I would fight tooth and nail for her.
 
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There were 2 girls in this situation according to the articles. One was 14, the other was 13. There is not one single place in the entire US where it is acceptable to have sex with either gender at either of those ages. No matter the circumstances. No matter if it was "consentual" or not.

According to the reporter that originally handled this story the "Sheriff Darren White felt confident the office had put together a case that would “absolutely” result in prosecutions." and quoted directly from the Sheriff "“Within four hours, we had obtained a search warrant for the house and executed that,” White told The Star. “We had all of the suspects in custody and had audio/video confessions."" and "“I would defy the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department to do what we did and get it wrapped up as nicely as we did in that amount of time.” Now I don't know about you folks but I RARELY hear a cop talk that confident about any rape case.
 
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lizzie said:
You have likely never met a parent who was more likely to apply the tough love approach, as that is exactly what I did with my own son, but there is no doubt that if this story were about my daughter, my protective instincts would be front and center, and if I believed she had been raped, I would fight tooth and nail for her.
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No, I have met many the type, they usually go with the evidence.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
There were 2 girls in this situation according to the articles. One was 14, the other was 13. There is not one single place in the entire US where it is acceptable to have sex with either gender at either of those ages. No matter the circumstances. No matter if it was "consentual" or not.

According to the reporter that originally handled this story the "Sheriff Darren White felt confident the office had put together a case that would “absolutely” result in prosecutions." and quoted directly from the Sheriff "“Within four hours, we had obtained a search warrant for the house and executed that,” White told The Star. “We had all of the suspects in custody and had audio/video confessions."" and "“I would defy the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department to do what we did and get it wrapped up as nicely as we did in that amount of time.” Now I don't know about you folks but I RARELY hear a cop talk that confident about any rape case.
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One; The Sheriff is not the prosecutor.
Two; Charges were pressed and dropped.

The 13 year old was with a 15 year old. That case also fell apart because of non-cooperation.

The 14 year old with the 17 year old - no crime exists there, as it was apparently consensual, regardless of what you believe it should be. Nor was it statutory.



566.032. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory rape in the first degree if he has sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old.
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lizzie said:
You have likely never met a parent who was more likely to apply the tough love approach, as that is exactly what I did with my own son, but there is no doubt that if this story were about my daughter, my protective instincts would be front and center, and if I believed she had been raped, I would fight tooth and nail for her.
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Lets reverse this.
Lets say is was your son in this scenario.
The evidence is that the girl lied. It was consensual and she was conscious.

Who are you going to believe?

Your son, the evidence and a Prosecutor who said it was basically nothing more than teens being teens, or some unhinged mother and lying daughter?
 
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Excon said:
One; The Sheriff is not the prosecutor.
Two; Charges were pressed and dropped.

The 13 year old was with a 15 year old. That case also fell apart because of non-cooperation.

The 14 year old with the 17 year old - no crime exists there, as it was apparently consensual, regardless of what you believe it should be. Nor ios it statutory.



566.032. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory rape in the first degree if he has sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old.
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Regardless of age....from your own link...

566.030. 1. A person commits the offense of rape in the first degree if he or she has sexual intercourse with another person who is incapacitated, incapable of consent, or lacks the capacity to consent, or by the use of forcible compulsion.

When you are drunk you lack the capacity to consent and depending on how wasted you are can also be totally incapable of giving consent...even if conscious.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Regardless of age....from your own link...

566.030. 1. A person commits the offense of rape in the first degree if he or she has sexual intercourse with another person who is incapacitated, incapable of consent, or lacks the capacity to consent, or by the use of forcible compulsion.

When you are drunk you lack the capacity to consent and depending on how wasted you are can also be totally incapable of giving consent...even if conscious.
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Are you not paying attention?

That part of the law is inapplicable because it was added after the incident.


But for entertainments sake, lets say it was in effect.
From the evidence, it does not appear she was incapacitated.
So it would be hard to prove.

Secondly, it then could be argued that he too was unable to give consent to sex.
So maybe she should be charged.
 
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Small towns will often times become hell-holes for new (outsider) residents. Add the fact that the 14 y/o girl doesn't have a Father present in her home to go vigilante on the teenage boys and you have this case.

I, having grown up on multiple Air Force bases have a pretty lengthy experience in these matters. I still hate it when someone asks: "Where are you from?" That question is often times asked by a local that has already figured that I'm "not from around here". I have no answer for that question.

The damage has already been done. Whether or not someone will have to pay for that damage is really all this is about.

The (alleged) victim has chosen to move on with her life. She has learned an important lesson about being an outsider. Putting the boy in prison isn't going to happen.
 
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lizzie said:
Well, you know what? If it were my daughter, you can bet your ass I would be trying to find justice for her, no matter the obstacles.
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As prophesied..... Some lollygagging diatribe about how pure of heart of you are - and how you would have done things differently.

As for your links, it's different with murder cases. Rape cases don't usually go forward without victim cooperation.
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It's entirely irrelevant. I just showed you that people testifying and cooperating happens ALL the time. What? You want me to find links of rape victims refusing to cooperate?
 
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Hatuey said:
As prophesied..... Some lollygagging diatribe about how pure of heart of you are - and how you would have done things differently.



It's entirely irrelevant. I just showed you that people testifying and cooperating happens ALL the time. What? You want me to find links of rape victims refusing to cooperate?
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Yeah, sure. Find me some rape cases which were prosecuted without victim cooperation. There may be a few, but they are rare. My point is that if I believed my daughter had been raped, it would essentially take an act of God to keep from trying to intervene on her behalf. If you think that amounts to sort of irrational diatribe, then I'd say you don't understand at all. Would you not go to bat for your own daughter in the same situation? If not, then I would consider you cowardly.
 
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