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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And as far back as I can remember being drunk was no excuse to rape anyone. Every court case about it has said the same thing.
    I totally agree. What I'm saying is that the simple fact of the woman being drunk should never mean the consensual sex should be considered rape.

    If the my partner and I both get drunk, and we both agree while drunk to have sex, then the woman should never be allowed to claim I raped her, because the condition of being drunk means she could not actually consent. Because, if alcohol means she couldn't consent, then the alcohol would mean I would not be able to consent either.

    Either both are responsible for drunken sex, or neither of them are. Only holding one party responsible in that situation (and I'm not talking about this particular case, speaking in general terms), is a double standard.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Were the boys, who were also minors and also drunk, acting with full knowledge and consent?

    In this case, age and alcohol cannot be held against one and not the other.
    Yes, actually it can.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "I was drunk" will never be an excuse for breaking the law. You can call it a double standard all day long, but if it's against the law sober? It's against the law drunk.
    Again, I agree. What I'm saying is you cannot have drunken sex with a drunken man, and then claim the drunken man raped you because the consent you gave happened while you were drunk.

    You're right. If it's against the law when both people are sober, it should be against the law when drunk. What I'm saying is if both people are drunk, and it's NOT against the law when sober, it should not be against the law when drunk.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Agreed. What I'm referring to is when both the man and women are drunk, but only one party is held responsible for the sex.

    If a man can be held responsible for his drunken sexual habits, then so can a woman.


    Absolutely. And the girl should be charged with alcohol consumption by a minor (as should the boys).
    Except in this case the victim wasn't a woman, she was a near-unconscious 14 year old girl. You can charge the girl with underage consumption, but good luck getting a judge to take it seriously - being raped is a harsher punishment than a judge could provide and they would probably rule that she has already been punished enough for getting drunk.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes, actually it can.
    Only if the girl was unconscious and did not consent at all (regardless of alcohol level). At least, that's the way it should be.

    My point is that age and alcohol should have nothing to do with this particular situation when discussing whether the girl gave consent. If the girl gave consent, it should not matter her age or drunkenness, because the boys were also underage and drunk. If the girl did not give consent in any way, then the boys clearly broke the law. But simply saying the girl was underage and drunk means should could not legally give consent is ridiculous.

    If she said no, then the boys were wrong. If she said yes, then her age and drunkenness have nothing to do with it.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Again, I agree. What I'm saying is you cannot have drunken sex with a drunken man, and then claim the drunken man raped you because the consent you gave happened while you were drunk.

    You're right. If it's against the law when both people are sober, it should be against the law when drunk. What I'm saying is if both people are drunk, and it's NOT against the law when sober, it should not be against the law when drunk.
    So you get so drunk you pass out.

    When you finally regain your senses, you realize you're naked, your butt-hole is on fire, and there's a guy spooning you from behind.

    You're not gay. In a sober state you'd never consent to gay sex.

    However, when you were so drunk you can't recall what happened, you ended up getting rear-ended.

    Were you raped?

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    Except in this case the victim wasn't a woman, she was a near-unconscious 14 year old girl.
    And the perpetrators were not men, they were drunken high school boys.

    As I've said multiple times now, a state of unconsciousness means she could not consent. But her age and BAC have nothing to do with it.

    You can charge the girl with underage consumption, but good luck getting a judge to take it seriously - being raped is a harsher punishment than a judge could provide and they would probably rule that she has already been punished enough for getting drunk.
    She and the boys should be charged, regardless of the outcome of the other case. You're right, she (and they) won't be, but they should. If we have law, we should follow the law.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Only if the girl was unconscious and did not consent at all (regardless of alcohol level). At least, that's the way it should be.

    My point is that age and alcohol should have nothing to do with this particular situation when discussing whether the girl gave consent. If the girl gave consent, it should not matter her age or drunkenness, because the boys were also underage and drunk. If the girl did not give consent in any way, then the boys clearly broke the law. But simply saying the girl was underage and drunk means should could not legally give consent is ridiculous.

    If she said no, then the boys were wrong. If she said yes, then her age and drunkenness have nothing to do with it.
    And if a girl is too drunk to clearly give or withdraw consent?

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So you get so drunk you pass out.

    When you finally regain your senses, you realize you're naked, your butt-hole is on fire, and there's a guy spooning you from behind.

    You're not gay. In a sober state you'd never consent to gay sex.

    However, when you were so drunk you can't recall what happened, you ended up getting rear-ended.

    Were you raped?
    I really don't know how many times I have to say a state of unconsciousness is not the same thing as being in a state of drunkenness. But, if I were so drunk I consented to gay sex with a man who was also drunk, then no, I would not have been raped. I would have made decisions I might later regret, but it would not be rape. Because if I'm not responsible for my actions because I'm drunk, then why should he be held responsible for his actions when he's drunk?

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    And if a girl is too drunk to clearly give or withdraw consent?
    And if the boys were too drunk to give or withdraw consent?

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