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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Was the case "dropped" because the victims were being TERRORIZED??????

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If your case is legitimate, and you are dedicated to the truth winning out, you have to be willing to stay dedicated, no matter the outside pressure. What it tells me is that they were either doubtful of their own position, or they lacked moral courage.
    I've never been a 14 year old girl with a community of adults acting like school bullies toward me so I wouldn't know if I would have said moral courage.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    How could a drunk, semi-unconscious 14-year-old have any capacity to give consent?

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Was the case "dropped" because the victims were being TERRORIZED??????
    Most likely the case was dropped because of the things which aren't talked about. This 14 year old girl was obviously drunk out of her mind, she was likely acting in a very flirtatious manner with the boys and it was most likely suggested she'd be interested in relations with the boys.

    I don't know this at all, I'm just going based on what I've seen from adults and the hormones of teenagers. Does that mean the boys didn't rape her? Not necessarily. But what it does mean is the evidence was not likely to get a conviction, especially once the girl refused to cooperate. Why did the girl refuse to cooperate? There are many possible explanations. But I think everyone against the boys see the girl as an innocent victim and everyone who sides with the boys see the girl as a total slut. The truth is likely somewhere in between, and it is this truth which has made the case against the boys very difficult to pursue.
    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    How could a drunk, semi-unconscious 14-year-old have any capacity to give consent?
    If being drunk absolves one of responsibility, then how can you blame the boys, who were also drunk?

    I've never been a fan of the "too drunk to consent" argument, especially if both people were drinking. If she was completely unconscious, that would be a different story, but simply being drunk should not absolve one of the responsibility, especially if both parties were drinking.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I've never been a 14 year old girl with a community of adults acting like school bullies toward me so I wouldn't know if I would have said moral courage.
    I haven't either, but that is what it takes.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If she was "14" then why was she hanging out with older highschoolers? Drinking? I think there is more to the story, there usually is.
    If he did rape her than any other considerations are null and void. There is NO reason that rape should ever be excused. IMO all that needs to be considered is if there was indeed a rape or not. The "why" or "how it came to pass" is irrelevent next to actual rape happening.

    If he didn't rape her then she deserves to be shunned. Crying rape when no rape happened can be just as bad as actual rape imo. In both cases someones life was ruined due to the selfishness of the antagonist.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If he did rape her than any other considerations are null and void.
    I believe the point is, or at least would be if I made the point, is the other considerations can help determine if it was rape.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Most likely the case was dropped because of the things which aren't talked about. This 14 year old girl was obviously drunk out of her mind, she was likely acting in a very flirtatious manner with the boys and it was most likely suggested she'd be interested in relations with the boys.

    I don't know this at all, I'm just going based on what I've seen from adults and the hormones of teenagers. Does that mean the boys didn't rape her? Not necessarily. But what it does mean is the evidence was not likely to get a conviction, especially once the girl refused to cooperate. Why did the girl refuse to cooperate? There are many possible explanations. But I think everyone against the boys see the girl as an innocent victim and everyone who sides with the boys see the girl as a total slut. The truth is likely somewhere in between, and it is this truth which has made the case against the boys very difficult to pursue.

    If being drunk absolves one of responsibility, then how can you blame the boys, who were also drunk?

    I've never been a fan of the "too drunk to consent" argument, especially if both people were drinking. If she was completely unconscious, that would be a different story, but simply being drunk should not absolve one of the responsibility, especially if both parties were drinking.

    This falls dangerously close to:

    "A drunk girl is asking for it..."


    Regardless though, this is why a trial is needed.


    Sounds too much like small town mid-west teenage athlete is being protected at expense of small town mid-west teenage girl.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post

    If he didn't rape her then she deserves to be shunned. Crying rape when no rape happened can be just as bad as actual rape imo. In both cases someones life was ruined due to the selfishness of the antagonist.
    If an adult, yes. If a child, no.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I believe the point is, or at least would be if I made the point, is the other considerations can help determine if it was rape.
    Was the girl involved in a sex act with full knowledge and consent? At 14 years old the answer is no.
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