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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I would hope that you are not the type of parent who thinks their child can do no wrong regardless of the evidence.
    You can be protective and still accept the evidence as it is.
    You have likely never met a parent who was more likely to apply the tough love approach, as that is exactly what I did with my own son, but there is no doubt that if this story were about my daughter, my protective instincts would be front and center, and if I believed she had been raped, I would fight tooth and nail for her.
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    There were 2 girls in this situation according to the articles. One was 14, the other was 13. There is not one single place in the entire US where it is acceptable to have sex with either gender at either of those ages. No matter the circumstances. No matter if it was "consentual" or not.

    According to the reporter that originally handled this story the "Sheriff Darren White felt confident the office had put together a case that would “absolutely” result in prosecutions." and quoted directly from the Sheriff "“Within four hours, we had obtained a search warrant for the house and executed that,” White told The Star. “We had all of the suspects in custody and had audio/video confessions."" and "“I would defy the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department to do what we did and get it wrapped up as nicely as we did in that amount of time.” Now I don't know about you folks but I RARELY hear a cop talk that confident about any rape case.
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You have likely never met a parent who was more likely to apply the tough love approach, as that is exactly what I did with my own son, but there is no doubt that if this story were about my daughter, my protective instincts would be front and center, and if I believed she had been raped, I would fight tooth and nail for her.
    No, I have met many the type, they usually go with the evidence.
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There were 2 girls in this situation according to the articles. One was 14, the other was 13. There is not one single place in the entire US where it is acceptable to have sex with either gender at either of those ages. No matter the circumstances. No matter if it was "consentual" or not.

    According to the reporter that originally handled this story the "Sheriff Darren White felt confident the office had put together a case that would “absolutely” result in prosecutions." and quoted directly from the Sheriff "“Within four hours, we had obtained a search warrant for the house and executed that,” White told The Star. “We had all of the suspects in custody and had audio/video confessions."" and "“I would defy the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department to do what we did and get it wrapped up as nicely as we did in that amount of time.” Now I don't know about you folks but I RARELY hear a cop talk that confident about any rape case.
    One; The Sheriff is not the prosecutor.
    Two; Charges were pressed and dropped.

    The 13 year old was with a 15 year old. That case also fell apart because of non-cooperation.

    The 14 year old with the 17 year old - no crime exists there, as it was apparently consensual, regardless of what you believe it should be. Nor was it statutory.



    566.032. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory rape in the first degree if he has sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old.
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You have likely never met a parent who was more likely to apply the tough love approach, as that is exactly what I did with my own son, but there is no doubt that if this story were about my daughter, my protective instincts would be front and center, and if I believed she had been raped, I would fight tooth and nail for her.
    Lets reverse this.
    Lets say is was your son in this scenario.
    The evidence is that the girl lied. It was consensual and she was conscious.

    Who are you going to believe?

    Your son, the evidence and a Prosecutor who said it was basically nothing more than teens being teens, or some unhinged mother and lying daughter?
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    One; The Sheriff is not the prosecutor.
    Two; Charges were pressed and dropped.

    The 13 year old was with a 15 year old. That case also fell apart because of non-cooperation.

    The 14 year old with the 17 year old - no crime exists there, as it was apparently consensual, regardless of what you believe it should be. Nor ios it statutory.



    566.032. 1. A person commits the crime of statutory rape in the first degree if he has sexual intercourse with another person who is less than fourteen years old.
    CHAPTER 566
    Regardless of age....from your own link...

    566.030. 1. A person commits the offense of rape in the first degree if he or she has sexual intercourse with another person who is incapacitated, incapable of consent, or lacks the capacity to consent, or by the use of forcible compulsion.

    When you are drunk you lack the capacity to consent and depending on how wasted you are can also be totally incapable of giving consent...even if conscious.
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Regardless of age....from your own link...

    566.030. 1. A person commits the offense of rape in the first degree if he or she has sexual intercourse with another person who is incapacitated, incapable of consent, or lacks the capacity to consent, or by the use of forcible compulsion.

    When you are drunk you lack the capacity to consent and depending on how wasted you are can also be totally incapable of giving consent...even if conscious.
    Are you not paying attention?

    That part of the law is inapplicable because it was added after the incident.


    But for entertainments sake, lets say it was in effect.
    From the evidence, it does not appear she was incapacitated.
    So it would be hard to prove.

    Secondly, it then could be argued that he too was unable to give consent to sex.
    So maybe she should be charged.
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Small towns will often times become hell-holes for new (outsider) residents. Add the fact that the 14 y/o girl doesn't have a Father present in her home to go vigilante on the teenage boys and you have this case.

    I, having grown up on multiple Air Force bases have a pretty lengthy experience in these matters. I still hate it when someone asks: "Where are you from?" That question is often times asked by a local that has already figured that I'm "not from around here". I have no answer for that question.

    The damage has already been done. Whether or not someone will have to pay for that damage is really all this is about.

    The (alleged) victim has chosen to move on with her life. She has learned an important lesson about being an outsider. Putting the boy in prison isn't going to happen.

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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, you know what? If it were my daughter, you can bet your ass I would be trying to find justice for her, no matter the obstacles.
    As prophesied..... Some lollygagging diatribe about how pure of heart of you are - and how you would have done things differently.

    As for your links, it's different with murder cases. Rape cases don't usually go forward without victim cooperation.
    It's entirely irrelevant. I just showed you that people testifying and cooperating happens ALL the time. What? You want me to find links of rape victims refusing to cooperate?
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    Re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As prophesied..... Some lollygagging diatribe about how pure of heart of you are - and how you would have done things differently.



    It's entirely irrelevant. I just showed you that people testifying and cooperating happens ALL the time. What? You want me to find links of rape victims refusing to cooperate?
    Yeah, sure. Find me some rape cases which were prosecuted without victim cooperation. There may be a few, but they are rare. My point is that if I believed my daughter had been raped, it would essentially take an act of God to keep from trying to intervene on her behalf. If you think that amounts to sort of irrational diatribe, then I'd say you don't understand at all. Would you not go to bat for your own daughter in the same situation? If not, then I would consider you cowardly.
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