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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What is your F'n problem???????

    A trial. A trial. A trail. That's the system.

    What's not the system is letting football playing 17 year old boys rape 14 year old girls without any consequences.

    What's also even worse is a town full of people turning against the victim's family and terrorizing them.
    What difference does a trial make to you? You've already determined that they're guilty. So you're for a fair trial but only if it results in conviction right?

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What difference does a trial make to you? You've already determined that they're guilty. So you're for a fair trial but only if it results in conviction right?
    Guilty of Stat Rape, for sure. THe trial would be to determine if it was forcible on top of it.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Burden of proof? The case has been proven.

    What part of statutory rape went whoosh over your head? You do know what SR means, Correct?
    I see, **** the trial and all that legal nonsense like presumption of innocence and prof beyond a reasonable doubt. Ok, Mr. Taliban. Lol.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I see, **** the trial and all that legal nonsense like presumption of innocence and prof beyond a reasonable doubt. Ok, Mr. Taliban. Lol.
    Here's an article that purports to describe testimony at the preliminary hearing:

    Here's how the Times reconstructs the night in question, based on testimony from a preliminary hearing:

    At the parties, the girl had so much to drink that she was unable to recall much from that night, and nothing past midnight, the police said. The girl began drinking early on, according to an account that the police pieced together from witnesses, including two of the three Steubenville High athletes who testified in court in October. By 10 or 10:30 that night, it was clear that the dark-haired teenager was drunk because she was stumbling and slurring her words, witnesses testified.

    Some people at the party taunted her, chanted and cheered as a Steubenville High baseball player dared bystanders to urinate on her, one witness testified.

    After the second party, the girl "needed help" walking, per the Times. She vomited outside and remained in the street, topless, according to one witness. Another recalled Mays and Richmond holding her hair back.

    Afterward, they headed to the home of one football player who has now become a witness for the prosecution. That player told the police that he was in the back seat of his Volkswagen Jetta with Mays and the girl when Mays proceeded to flash the girl's breasts and penetrate her with his fingers, while the player videotaped it on his phone. The player, who shared the video with at least one person, testified that he videotaped Mays and the girl "because he was being stupid, not making the right choices." He said he later deleted the recording.

    The girl "was just sitting there, not really doing anything," the player testified. "She was kind of talking, but I couldn't make out the words that she was saying."

    At that third party, the girl could not walk on her own and vomited several times before toppling onto her side, several witnesses testified. Mays then tried to coerce the girl into giving him oral sex, but the girl was unresponsive, according to the player who videotaped Mays and the girl.

    The player said he did not try to stop it because "at the time, no one really saw it as being forceful."

    At one point, the girl was on the ground, naked, unmoving and silent, according to two witnesses who testified. Mays, they said, had exposed himself while he was right next to her.

    Richmond was behind her, with his hands between her legs, penetrating her with his fingers, a witness said.

    "I tried to tell Trent to stop it," another athlete, who was Mays's best friend, testified. "You know, I told him, ‘Just wait — wait till she wakes up if you're going to do any of this stuff. Don't do anything you're going to regret.' "

    He said Mays answered: "It's all right. Don't worry."

    That boy took a photograph of what Mays and Richmond were doing to the girl. He explained in court how he wanted her to know what had happened to her, but he deleted it from his phone, he testified, after showing it to several people.
    If this is an accurate account of testimony, it's very difficult to understand how this was not sexual assault at the very least.

    Here's a quotation from Comments that may explain the mindset:

    So these kids life is going to be ruined cuz some sloppy slut got drunk at a party and they got a little **** from her? What the **** has happened to this country? We got ***** off of drunk girls all the time back in the day and no, they weren't always awake for it, but when you got to a ******* high school party what do you expect???? Slut knew what she was going there for, why she was going there, and they just charged her the price of admission.

    So now these guys are going to victims of a ****** up PC society that refuses to make girls and women responsible for their own actions. You looking to not get drunk and ****** at a party? DON'T GET DRUNK AND GO TO THE PARTY. 12/18/12 2:32pm

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Whatever about the guilt, there's no excuse for a community acting this way toward a 14 year old girl even if she lied.

    But it certainly appears at least some stat rape occured.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player

    or here: Daisy Coleman, Missouri Teen, Claims She's Shunned By Community After Rape Allegations

    or here: Maryville rape case: The horrifying details of what happened to Daisy Coleman feel all too familiar.


    Words just can't describe....

    What's with this mentality of protecting athletes at all costs?

    Or protecting boys?????

    Why are girls seen as expendable?
    According to the huffpost link, charges wer dropped, because the victim refused to cooperate with prosecutors.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Here's an article that purports to describe testimony at the preliminary hearing:



    If this is an accurate account of testimony, it's very difficult to understand how this was not sexual assault at the very least.
    I agree, if the accounts are accurate. I just don't pretend to know the actual evidence in this case and would prefer that nobody be convicted on the basis of media reports.

    Here's a quotation from Comments that may explain the mindset:
    That a terrible comment but it's hard to know if it's worse than the the ones I saw calling for the boy's head to be greeted with a baseball bat (sorry, I don't have time to go find those again right now).

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    According to the huffpost link, charges wer dropped, because the victim refused to cooperate with prosecutors.
    There has to be something like that at play here. Prosecuting offices are somewhat political in nature and would rather take something to trial even if the evidence is marginal than be blasted for dumping what's perceived as a slam dunk high profile case.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That a terrible comment but it's hard to know if it's worse than the the ones I saw calling for the boy's head to be greeted with a baseball bat (sorry, I don't have time to go find those again right now).
    That's not hard to imagine. If this girl's father were in the picture, that's probably pretty close to what would have happened. A 14-year-old is just a kid. She must have had ****ty parental control, at the very least.

    When I was 17, I went to a party with my boyfriend at his college friend's house. I was stupid enough to take a guy's challenge to chug two shots. After the second one, I vaguely remember keeling right off the bar stool. When I woke up hours later, I had puked my guts out for those hours and was surrounded by three girls who took turns sitting with me in an upstairs bedroom. Probably so just this kind of thing wouldn't happen. This is evil ****. And it's been going on a loooong time.

    (I was 17 and blamed myself. And lucky my boyfriend was there. A 14-year-old is just a kid.)

    It is very difficult to understand why there wasn't a trial.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I see, **** the trial and all that legal nonsense like presumption of innocence and prof beyond a reasonable doubt. Ok, Mr. Taliban. Lol.
    I didn't say that they should be denied a trial, but when the evidence is that the 17-year-old says the sex was consensual but the victim is underage, that's a confession to statutory rape.

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