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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    How can anybody see it that way?

    I don't understand how any girl or woman that was unconcious can consent to having sex.

    She was physically moved to two other parties without her consent.

    I think, if the girl is strong enough, should take it to the feds. The local cops don't want to do anything about it, but the feds might.
    That could be because you are assuming things you shouldn't be.

    But it is how the prosecution sees it.
    The feds?
    Is everybody's answer these day to take things to the Feds?
    It would have to be a Federal crime for the Feds to become involved.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    She was unfreakin'conscious! And there were witnesses.
    Apparently that claim hasn't held up under scrutiny. Go figure, huh?


    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There's no double standard here.
    One: You do not know if there was a double standard at work here or not.
    The double standard may be why the boys were charged in the first place.
    The point being, we don't know.

    Secondly: The double standard bandied about does exist.
    It may, or may not exist in this case, but it was also being discussed as existing outside of this case. And that was what was being bandied about.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I already fell on my sword here. I was wrong about the stat rape regarding 17 and 14 year-olds.
    Huh, I thought I remember you being all snide and implying that I didn't understand statutory rape.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    This is what he posted

    "funny how she can't be held responsible for her actions because she is a minor and alcohol was involved, but he can be held responsible though he too is a minor and alcohol was involved.

    just more of that double standard where the male is always the perpetrator and the female is always the victim.


    not saying what the kid did was right or acceptible in any manner....just pointing out the double standard of assigning responsibility.

    It's like I said earlier, if two people get drunk and have sex...the next day she is a victim and he is a rapist."

    It is funny how she can't be held responsable for her actions. Minor or not she was unconcious on the ground naked and they violated her.

    He stated that because alcohol was involved she had it coming. That is how I read what he wrote. That is making her responsable for her actions, whatever they may have been as he won't answer what her actions were to cause this.
    apparently, reading comprehension is not your strong suit. see bold above, how you get that I ever said she deserved to be raped out of that is staggeringly dense
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Guilty of Stat Rape, for sure. THe trial would be to determine if it was forcible on top of it.
    Statutory rape and forceble rape are hundreds of miles apart on the atrocity scale. Plus, I'm not so sure that it's statutory rape, seeing how the boy is still a minor.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Nope. But they should be taken seriously. It is some kind of social sickness that this community doesn't even care to find out whether this girl was raped. All they care about is their boys in the football team.

    This isn't a question of what's wrong with the criminal justice system. It's a question of what's wrong with these supposed human beings.
    It's also a social sickness where people are guilty until proven innocent. How many women lie about rape for pitty or to ruin a man's life that they want revenge against? Even if someone isn't convicted that slander sticks with them and many will just call them as guilty.

    All rape allegations should be taken seriously, but they need to be kept at the level of allegation until the courts can rule on a verdict or if there is obviously clear evidence of the rape. This might not be just a case of flawed justice because the town wants to protect football guys.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Based on the opinion of a small town prosecutor.

    Small town prosecutor?
    Let me exaggerate here; Those are the ones who are more than willing to indict ham sandwiches.
    You have no valid point here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    If that was your daughter, would you accept that rationale based on the evidence that is public?
    My position is that we do not know what actually happened.
    But based on what the prosecutor has said, yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Blood alcohol of the alleged victim of .13 seven hours after the incident,
    And?
    Lushes don't drink?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    hospital rape kit confirming forceful sex,
    What do you think that means?
    Because it doesn't mean it wasn't consensual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    the suspect admitting to that sex occurred,
    Kids being kids.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    witness statements confirming it happened,
    Which apparently haven't held up, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now.
    “There wasn’t any prosecuting attorney that could take that case to trial,” he said.

    “It had to be dismissed. And it was.”
    I guess the "had to be" confuses you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    video confirming it happened.
    Wrong. Video of it happening does not exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Honestly, the admission of sex by the suspect and the girls blood alcohol is enough evidence to prove sexual assault.
    Obviously it is not.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Sometimes, the allegations are actually false.

    Duke lacrosse case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Not saying anything about whether the allegations in the OP are true or not because I don't know, but there is a purpose for the criminal justice system and allegations does not equal convictions.
    Well, obviously the Sheriff's office thought they had a case. This is an all to familiar story. Local football players treated as demi-gods in these towns and eventually begin to believe it. Sad commentary on life in these places. Jesus, the girl was 14!
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Small town prosecutor?
    Let me exaggerate here; Those are the ones who are more than willing to indict ham sandwiches.
    You have no valid point here.



    My position is that we do not know what actually happened.
    But based on what the prosecutor has said, yes.


    And?
    Lushes don't drink?

    What do you think that means?
    Because it doesn't mean it wasn't consensual.

    Kids being kids.

    Which apparently haven't held up, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now.
    “There wasn’t any prosecuting attorney that could take that case to trial,” he said.

    “It had to be dismissed. And it was.”
    I guess the "had to be" confuses you.

    Wrong. Video of it happening does not exist.

    Obviously it is not.
    Jesus, the kid was 14! Have we now reached the position that 14 year old girls who are drunk are capable of having 'consensual' sex? Do they not have statutory rape laws in Missouri?
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Statutory rape and forceble rape are hundreds of miles apart on the atrocity scale. Plus, I'm not so sure that it's statutory rape, seeing how the boy is still a minor.
    The 'boy' is now in college and apparently still on the prowl. Presumably college aged girls may be able to deal with this better than a 14 year old.
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