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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    The girl is scared out of her wits. Her house was set on fire.

    "Get her act together" ????????????

    Maybe if she wasn't in fear for her life and her families life she'd be more apt to have "her act together".
    THe house burned 8 months after the family moved, supposedly due to an electrical problem. I don't claim to know the truth of the story, but if the girl refuses to cooperate, and invokes her fifth amendment right, then we are not getting the entire story.

    from your link:
    Nodaway County Sheriff Darren White told the Huffington Post his department presented a "strong case" to prosecutors that then 17-year-old Matthew Barnett raped Coleman's daughter.

    He said charges were dropped when Daisy Coleman declined to cooperate with prosecutors.

    Melinda Coleman told CNN's Erin Burnett on Monday that White's claims are "absolutely not true," and said the police report from the incident proves it.

    "The victims decided they no longer wanted to participate in the case," White told HuffPost. "They gave no deposition or statement and invoked their Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate themselves. The charges being dismissed had everything to do with the victims not wanting to assist in their case."

    Prosecutor Robert Rice eventually dropped all charges against Barnett, who said the sex was consensual.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No surprise that the rape apologists in this thread are on the right side of the political spectrum. It's amazing how one's lean can be a predictor of one's misogyny.
    I don't recall anyone being rape apologists. What I think several people are saying is that simply because a girl alleged rape, it doesn't mean it actually was. Could it have been? Sure. Is there evidence to say it was? Yes. But I think the problem several people have is the assumed believability of the girl, just because she's a girl. Let the facts decide, and if she was raped, then hold responsible those who are to blame. But threatening violence against the boys simply because the girl alleged it is not fair. Criticize them for their actions if it's warranted, but only if it's warranted.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    (c) The other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age, and the offender knows or has reasonable cause to believe that the other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age.

    A person who is drunk to the point this girl was at is considered to be substantially mentally and physically impaired. The boy knew that she was drunk.
    OK. Doesn't have anything to do with the point, which was age.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    (c) The other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age, and the offender knows or has reasonable cause to believe that the other person's ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age.

    A person who is drunk to the point this girl was at is considered to be substantially mentally and physically impaired. The boy knew that she was drunk.
    A person who was drunk to the point these boys were are considered to be substantially mentally and physically impaired. Are you going to charge the girl for rape as well?

    The drunk argument has not place in this discussion (at least it shouldn't). All parties were drunk. What matters is if she ever actually gave consent. Obviously, if she was unconscious, she could not have given consent. The question is did she?

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    It appears to say it would matter if he were 4 or more years older. If she had been 13 it would be rape if "consensual".
    It only applies if the offender is 18 or older.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    His best friend admitted she was sexually assaulted whilst she was unconscious.



    In an ideal world, all victims of sexual assault would have the courage and determination to follow through with the prosecution process to ensure justice is served. We also know unfortunately that is often not the case. This girl was 14 years old. I'm disgusted that people are passing judgement on her decision to not pursue this. You know nothing about what mental or physical condition she is currently in. Her house was set on fire. Jesus. You can't understand why a 14 year old would have difficulty coping with the enormity of this?
    Of course I can understand that. What I don't understand is that her mother apparently doesn't have what it takes either, and any mother should have the fortitude to do whatever it takes to seek justice for her daughter.
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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I don't recall anyone being rape apologists. What I think several people are saying is that simply because a girl alleged rape, it doesn't mean it actually was. Could it have been? Sure. Is there evidence to say it was? Yes. But I think the problem several people have is the assumed believability of the girl, just because she's a girl. Let the facts decide, and if she was raped, then hold responsible those who are to blame. But threatening violence against the boys simply because the girl alleged it is not fair. Criticize them for their actions if it's warranted, but only if it's warranted.
    Oh please. This bull**** notion that people are just innocently asking for evidence is old and tired. What's happening in this thread is an example of how rape victims have been traditionally treated. They report that they've been raped and people question, doubt and interrogate them in the name of ensuring that the accused are protected and not unfairly treated. In other words, people have more concern for the accused than they do for the accuser (the victim). It's sick. It's a part of rape culture that sustains the acceptability of rape in our society and it's rape apologism.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    A person who was drunk to the point these boys were are considered to be substantially mentally and physically impaired. Are you going to charge the girl for rape as well?

    The drunk argument has not place in this discussion (at least it shouldn't). All parties were drunk. What matters is if she ever actually gave consent. Obviously, if she was unconscious, she could not have given consent. The question is did she?
    She couldn't give legal consent. Period. End of story. Legally, you can argue all you want about if it is considered rape or sexual assault or the misdemeanor of sexual contact with a minor, but she literally and legally did not have the capability to provide consent and all sexual activity initiated against her would be illegal. The only thing you can argue is the charge.

    Also, being drunk is not a legal excuse for the commission of ANY crime.

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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If she was "14" then why was she hanging out with older highschoolers? Drinking? I think there is more to the story, there usually is.
    Ahh yes, the girls deserved it.










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    re: Small Town Turns On Girl Who Was Allegedly Raped By HS Football Player [#303, #380]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    A person who was drunk to the point these boys were are considered to be substantially mentally and physically impaired. Are you going to charge the girl for rape as well?

    The drunk argument has not place in this discussion (at least it shouldn't). All parties were drunk. What matters is if she ever actually gave consent. Obviously, if she was unconscious, she could not have given consent. The question is did she?
    A) we all know there are different levels of "drunk".

    B) a young 14 year old girl can get unconsciously drunk while the guy can still be just boisterously drunk. Huge difference.

    C) If he was "as drunk as she was" he couldn't have had sex with her. He would have been passed out and/or incapable of achieving erection.

    D) No matter how drunk a guy is - he's got no right or justification what-so-ever to put his penis in any hole he can.

    E) No matter how drunk a girl is, she doesn't deserve to be violated.


    I'm not suggesting the boys be castrated and sent to jail pre-lubed.

    I'm saying a full-on investigation, and an honest trial are warranted. Obviously the investigation needs to be done by agencies outside of this podunk-backwards-ass mid-western hell hole.

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