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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    IMO it is die hard attitudes such as stated that has lead to the situation we are in. Politics is the art of the possible. Compromise, give and take, not being afraid to take a little if continuing the battle means you lose the whole lot. No, both parties have played hard nose party politics with this country from the get go or at least back to january of 2011. You're right about the beginning or the start of this shut down belongs to the Republicans. Their stupidity in an attempt to achieve something that wasn't going to happen caused or started this. Now if it continues, it seems IMO the blame is shifting.

    It is true that the republican House passed a lot of bills with stuff in them that was totally unpalatable to the democrats in the senate. But the senate has the power to add, delete and change any of those bills. Reid chose to table them making the Republicans mad instead of following the old time and true ways of addition, deletion and change. This made the republicans mad in the senate that their bills would not be brought up to be debated or voted on. Filibusters then reigned galore. Which came first, I don't know, but both parties went out of their way to obstruct the other. It boiled down the Reid and his Democratic senate telling the House my way or the highway and guess what, the house said the same thing back to Reid.

    One last thing, the Democrats love the fact that this shut down and the antics of the house has caused them to drop from 30% of the electorate to 20% as far as who identifies with them. Mean while the Democrats have dropped from 35% to 30% and seem to be extremely happy to accept that drop as long as the Republicans drop more. Neither party is paying attention to the fact that those who abandoned or left both parties didn't go to the other party, they chose to become independents, indies rose from 36% to an all time high of 47%.

    Read into that what you will, but I will tell you this, I am sick and tired of our elected officials being republicans and democrats instead of Americans. I hope they continue to after each other throats until their support drops to almost nil and we put those two supposedly majority parties on the trash heap of history. Both sure deserve it. Playing political games with this country future is plain ignorant IMO.
    Very well said, Pero! Both sides are wrong in what they're doing, and facts cannot be changed to suit whims! The legislators all need to grow up, compromise a little bit, and move on! Forget the childish fingerpointing, and just do your d*** jobs! We, the public, are getting tired of excuses!

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Very well said, Pero! Both sides are wrong in what they're doing, and facts cannot be changed to suit whims! The legislators all need to grow up, compromise a little bit, and move on! Forget the childish fingerpointing, and just do your d*** jobs! We, the public, are getting tired of excuses!
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    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is said the difference between the boy scouts and congress is the boy scouts have adult leaders.
    I have never heard that one! Sad, but true!

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Very well said, Pero! Both sides are wrong in what they're doing, and facts cannot be changed to suit whims! The legislators all need to grow up, compromise a little bit, and move on! Forget the childish fingerpointing, and just do your d*** jobs! We, the public, are getting tired of excuses!
    "Both sides need to compromise" is horse**** because the Democrats agreed to the GOP's spending levels. That is a fact you cannot change.
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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Both sides need to compromise" is horse**** because the Democrats agreed to the GOP's spending levels. That is a fact you cannot change.
    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I have never heard that one! Sad, but true!
    and both sides are nearing a deal

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ring-deal.html

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Both sides need to compromise" is horse**** because the Democrats agreed to the GOP's spending levels. That is a fact you cannot change.
    Not true. The Democrats, GOP and the President agreed to those spending levels. Of course now, the Democrats are trying to change those spending levels. You know, change the "law of the land".
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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Both sides need to compromise" is horse**** because the Democrats agreed to the GOP's spending levels. That is a fact you cannot change.
    Now that both sides have experience in compromising, it should be easier now. I made no mention of spending levels, since that was only one item of many on both sides, but I believe that the House has given in on the medical device point. It's the unfinished negotiating that I was referring to, which seems to be a problem. Otherwise, they wouldn't still be trying. The last I heard, it isn't over yet, even though bipartisan Collins (R) and Manchin (D) had good ideas which Reid summarily rejected, and I don't know the reason why!

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I hope that's true, for America's sake!

    Greetings, Unitedwestand13.

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Not true. The Democrats, GOP and the President agreed to those spending levels. Of course now, the Democrats are trying to change those spending levels. You know, change the "law of the land".
    Um, no. Months before the shutdown, the GOP offered certain spending levels. The Democrats agreed.

    Then the GOP went back on the offer. They added defunding of the ACA and some other business, and further reduced the spending numbers.

    Your guys can't even be held to their own word. Sorry.
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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Eliminating major health care law changes is not a budget deal.
    LOL. You are becoming quite the comedian. Obamadon'tcare was passed under reconciliation. A budget process. Everything about it is a budget deal, then and now.
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