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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    My thoughts are that we should give our legislators an ultimatum: Either get the government back on track, or we'll vote against every incumbent for the next couple of elections at least.
    But we should be doing that anyway.

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I love that we could continue to fund the government based off the "emergency" levels buttressed by Stimulus for years and years, but it's inconceivable to continue to fund government based off the "emergency" levels of Sequestration for 6 months.
    I'm not sure I'd call it inconceivable seeing as how the Democrats actually agreed to the spending levels demanded by the GOP.

    It's also interesting that you are pointing out that someone might hold the opinion "We could spend MORE than this, but it's bad to spend LESS than this!" As if that's contradictory or something?

    But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant!
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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

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    I'm not sure I'd call it inconceivable seeing as how the Democrats actually agreed to the spending levels demanded by the GOP.

    It's also interesting that you are pointing out that someone might hold the opinion "We could spend MORE than this, but it's bad to spend LESS than this!" As if that's contradictory or something?

    But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant!
    I've come down hard on the GOP as the cause of this idiotcy. That is because the way I understand, the Democrats wanted a 1.2 trillion CR and in negotiation with Republicans agreed to a 986 billion figure prior to the shutdown. Then the Republicans threw in the defunding rider derailing the agreement reached thus causing the shutdown.

    The Democrats then hollared, just give us a clean CR, apparently that is what Collins offered. A clean CR as what was demanded and pretty close to the agreement between both parties before this defunding Obamacare stupidity. It looks like the Dems won. But they want to exceed sequester. All I heard from dems during this shutdown was Obamacare was the law of the land and the Republicans should abide by it. Well sequester is also the law of the land, the democrats in return should abide by it.

    I'll have to check into this more, but it now seems until I do, that the onus for the continuing shut down is shifting from basically a solely Republican caused shutdown to a Democrart responsibility for continuing it.
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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I've come down hard on the GOP as the cause of this idiotcy. That is because the way I understand, the Democrats wanted a 1.2 trillion CR and in negotiation with Republicans agreed to a 986 billion figure prior to the shutdown. Then the Republicans threw in the defunding rider derailing the agreement reached thus causing the shutdown.

    The Democrats then hollared, just give us a clean CR, apparently that is what Collins offered. A clean CR as what was demanded and pretty close to the agreement between both parties before this defunding Obamacare stupidity. It looks like the Dems won. But they want to exceed sequester. All I heard from dems during this shutdown was Obamacare was the law of the land and the Republicans should abide by it. Well sequester is also the law of the land, the democrats in return should abide by it.

    I'll have to check into this more, but it now seems until I do, that the onus for the continuing shut down is shifting from basically a solely Republican caused shutdown to a Democrart responsibility for continuing it.
    From what I understand, Reid didn't like Collin's offer, even though there were Dems that worked with her on this, so it died. Reid seems to have adopted the attitude that only he is right about everything, thus here we are! :

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Yep. Remember the idiots that said, "it's settled law" or "it's the law of the land" so it shouldn't be changed or eliminated when referring to Obamadon'tcare. Now is the time for them to stand up and be counted against Obama and Reid for doing what they said was "stupid", "crazy", "ludicrous" and so on. Or will they just sliver away knowing they were the ones, "stupid", "crazy", "ludicrous" and so on? if I was a betting man, I wouldn't bet on either. What I'd bet on is them continuing to tell more lies and fairy tales in their support of Obama and Reid. No matter what they do.
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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm not sure I'd call it inconceivable seeing as how the Democrats actually agreed to the spending levels demanded by the GOP.

    It's also interesting that you are pointing out that someone might hold the opinion "We could spend MORE than this, but it's bad to spend LESS than this!" As if that's contradictory or something?

    But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant!
    Oh, I fully understand that some think there should be more spending, some think less, in general.

    My "rant" was more born from frustration recently of hearing liberal friends scoff at the notion of keeping it at sequestration levels because sequestration was only meant for one year and it's unreasonable and unfair to expect those levels to be a new baseline....despite one year, emergency funding levels have been the new baseline for multiple years now, just the other direction.

    My annoyance was less at wanting a larger amount, and more at the argument as to WHY

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    From what I understand, Reid didn't like Collin's offer, even though there were Dems that worked with her on this, so it died. Reid seems to have adopted the attitude that only he is right about everything, thus here we are! :
    Reid in a way has crowned himself kingmaker along with attempting to become the destroyer of the other party. The problem is in his destroyer custom he may be destroying the nation in order to destroy his enemy. Yes, from what I read, Manchin the D senator from WV work real close with here. Perhaps she should have let Manchin bring it to Reid, he might have considered it then.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Reid in a way has crowned himself kingmaker along with attempting to become the destroyer of the other party. The problem is in his destroyer custom he may be destroying the nation in order to destroy his enemy. Yes, from what I read, Manchin the D senator from WV work real close with here. Perhaps she should have let Manchin bring it to Reid, he might have considered it then.
    I doubt it, Pero. Reid considers Manchin a rebel since he doesn't always toe the party line! I like people like Manchin!

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I doubt it, Pero. Reid considers Manchin a rebel since he doesn't always toe the party line! I like people like Manchin!
    Me too, Manchin, Collins, Alexander is good, There are a few senators who look out for the country and her people. But the far majority only look out for their party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, I fully understand that some think there should be more spending, some think less, in general.

    My "rant" was more born from frustration recently of hearing liberal friends scoff at the notion of keeping it at sequestration levels because sequestration was only meant for one year and it's unreasonable and unfair to expect those levels to be a new baseline....despite one year, emergency funding levels have been the new baseline for multiple years now, just the other direction.

    My annoyance was less at wanting a larger amount, and more at the argument as to WHY
    You're the first person I've ever heard refer to the sequestration as "emergency" funding.
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