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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    I think Congress should increase the debt limit on October 17th and then go into recess until January 2014. If Obama doesn't want to negotiate there is really no point in them being there.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Latest word is that the Democrats not only won't give the Republicans squat, but now want to demand their own concessions, like ending the sequester.

    It's time for the Republicans to just pass a clean CR and a clean Debt limit extension. Cut their losses. If they lose the sequester I will be a very unhappy camper.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Why should Obama back down on anything when it's clear the Republicans are folding and willing to do pretty much anything he says he wants?
    Well, that's partly the way he see's it. He can demand 100% of what he wants, refuse to negotiate, and sit back and wait for Republicans to fold, knowing that each day they don't hurts them. It's a win-win for him, and in the middle of the Obamacare roll-out trainwreck.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Thus it was a very bad idea to pick this fight. It's not rolling over to just accept current policy while not allowing Democrats to advance the ball. That's what minorities are supposed to do. Instead, the Republicans are trying to get victories from a position of weakness and just hoping Democrats fold. Which wouldn't normally be a bad bet, Democrats are notorious folders, but not when their position of strength is this commanding.

    Dumb fight to pick, and it tells me that Ted Cruz is not ready for prime time.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ayn Rand readers legitimately believe the world will be a better place once everybody is an asshole.
    No, she certainly does not, why would she advocate for Democrats to be in charge or, simply, to be Democrats?!!!???
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i question anyone who thinks altruism is a economic sin.
    And we care what you think because...ummmm...help me out here...because....

    Nope, sorry, cannot think of a single reason.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That is not vey lucid on your part. And we are talking about the same chain smoking Ayn Rand who spoke of smoking and Social Security and then wound up taking advantage of Social Security when she was dying of lung cancer due to smoking.
    So you are saying she converted to being a liberal democrat then?
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, that's partly the way he see's it. He can demand 100% of what he wants, refuse to negotiate, and sit back and wait for Republicans to fold, knowing that each day they don't hurts them. It's a win-win for him, and in the middle of the Obamacare roll-out trainwreck.
    That's why it was really stupid of the Republicans to pick this fight in the first place. They were always going to lose it.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    And the Right operates in the elementary arena of arithmetic, not realizing the complicated real world takes at the very least advanced algebra.
    Not always....

    1 lousy president + 1 idiot VP + 1 feckless Senate Majority Leader - 1 House Speaker [ demoted to House Minority Leader ] = mountains of debt and failed policy, both foreign and domestic.

    Some of it is fairly simple.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i question anyone who thinks altruism is a economic sin.
    I haven't read Rand, I'm only familiar with her philosophy second-hand. But did she really think that?

    Altruism is an economic sin, in my view, if it's defined as the state forcing people to be altruistic. Otherwise it's just people doing what people do, helping each other out according to the dictates of their conscience. Forced altruism is an economic sin because it distorts economic incentives in a way that true altruism does not.

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