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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    yes but i think you have to lock the congress and senate inside their respective rooms and do not let them out until they have a budget, oh and cut their access to press conferences so they can focus on work and not pulling off stupid stunts.
    I'm more of the favor of if they cannot come up with the budget in the time frame, all of them go without pay until they do and if they do not come up with one within a time frame of say 1 month, we hold elections for ALL members of congress.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm more of the favor of if they cannot come up with the budget in the time frame, all of them go without pay until they do and if they do not come up with one within a time frame of say 1 month, we hold elections for ALL members of congress.
    sadly the 27th amendment prevents congressional pay being altered untill the next election, plus the way the senate elections work is that they are staggered, so only 1/3 of the senate is up for grabs every election year.

    i say lock them up in their respective chambers and don't let them out until they have a budget. it works for the college of cardinals when they elect a pope.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Just to make matters worse. The right operates in denial of arithmetic as well.

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    The right does not. However, very many people who wrongly fancy themselves to be on the right do.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Tone it down. Atlas Shrugged was a book. It was intended to entertain not to grow the population of the mentally ill.

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    That is toned down.

    I'm a history buff. I know all too well how quickly "normal life" can be obliterated in war, subjugation, and ruin. As a society, we've traded a willingness to face harsh realities with limited resources and the assurance that progress is bought with pain and suffering for childish illusions in which evil and want can be magically erased.

    Need I list all the societies that thought themselves permanent, stable and secure and are dust now?
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    The right does not. However, very many people who wrongly fancy themselves to be on the right do.
    So you are not one of those conservatives that ignore the fact that Social Security is not a government function and the biggest drain on the United States budget?

    You are not one of those conservatives that believe all of our financial problems would be solved by eliminating government waste?

    You are not one of those conservatives that violently defends their right to gooble up government goodies but forbids anybody else from doing so?

    You are not one of those conservatives that oppose higher taxes while protecting massive spending?

    Conservatives really make me mad which is confusing because I am a conservative myself.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    So you are not one of those conservatives that ignore the fact that Social Security is not a government function and the biggest drain on the United States budget?

    You are not one of those conservatives that believe all of our financial problems would be solved by eliminating government waste?

    You are not one of those conservatives that violently defends their right to gooble up government goodies but forbids anybody else from doing so?

    You are not one of those conservatives that oppose higher taxes while protecting massive spending?

    Conservatives really make me mad which is confusing because I am a conservative myself.

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    Here are some of my stream of consciousness thoughts:

    I favor abolishing Social Security, and most other Federal Entitlement Programs.

    This is not to say that many of those programs do not address needs, but the Federal government, often any government is a poor tool for those goals.

    We should certainly feed the blameless poor in some manner -- as a society which is very different than doing so as the unwilling compulsory servants of a government.

    Where government programs must exist -- and there are few, they should exist at the most decentralized and local levels practicable.

    Separation of government and elementary education is far more important than separation of church and state.

    The Congress with a super-majority of both houses should be able to overrule the Supreme Court.

    Barring war or certified national disaster the Federal Government should never be allowed to take out loans.

    We should budget so that the government runs a modest surplus in normal years.

    The poor should not be guaranteed a middle class lifestyle, or anything approaching it.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    That's a lot smarter than just hating taxes. Most conservatives hate taxes but ignore the other side of that equation. Surely you share in my frustration and notice that trend. Am I right?

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No it did not, it would have increased the debt ceiling, but not open up the government. Your information is wrong, try getting information that doesn't come from biased, unreliable sites like the on you posted in the OP.
    House Republicans told Obama at the White House that they could reopen the federal government by early next week if the president and Senate Democrats agree to their debt-ceiling proposal

    That is not what they said, you are just not presenting the facts at all
    Harry Reid: “Why Would We Want To” Help One Child With Cancer By Only Funding NIH?

    ...On October 8, Obama was asked by Mark Knoller of CBS if he was “tempted” to sign the numerous funding bills passed by the GOP-controlled House that would greatly alleviate the pain of the shutdown. Republicans have voted to reopen parks, fund cancer trials for children at the NIH, and to keep FEMA and the FDA going through this partial shutdown. But Obama has threatened to veto any such efforts, effectively keeping the Senate from considering the legislation.

    “Of course I’m tempted” to sign those bills, Obama explained. “But here’s the problem. What you’ve seen are bills that come up wherever Republicans are feeling political pressure, they put a bill forward. And if there’s no political heat, if there’s no television story on it, then nothing happens.”

    Obama’s answer dragged on, as all of Obama’s answers do. But the point was made. For the first time in American history, a president confessed to deliberately hurting his country to score points against his enemies....

    Hey, after all, he's "winning", right? The more pain people are in - the worse off Republicans do. And sure, he loses some points - but politics is a zero sum game to him, and so as long as he's losing less than the R's, he's winning. So the last thing you want is to take the stories about folks suffering off the television.

    They both want a clean CR that opens the government
    Exactly. They both only want 100% of what they want and have thus far refused to accept anything else than 100% of what they want.

    what they are against, and rightfully so, is the republicans putting up piecemeal legislation funding the government instead of funding the government as a whole.
    The government has always been funded in that manner - it is the large, must-pass omnibus bills that are the historical oddity, not the bills which actually focus on the particular spending upon which we are about to engage.

    And the reason to insist upon the destructive latter rather than the former is one of the same reasons why you don't want to reduce people's pain in the middle of the shutdown - because people might be surprised how much government they never miss, and if you had to actually justify some of this stuff on it's own merits, you'd have a real pickle on your hands.

    That is just bad governance
    Actually it is the must-pass omnibus bills to which any congresscritter can add any piece of crap-ola that he or she likes that is bad governance. Funding the government by program is good governance, though admittedly it does require more work on the part of our "leadership", perish the thought.

    and that was done for the sole purpose so they could put out those exact talking points you just parroted. It was a political maneuver and nothing more. They didn't give a **** about the kids with cancer or people trying to get into memorials; they just wanted to score political points.
    you are free to accuse them of still secretly being meanies, but the fact remains that the only party actually still ****ing over kids with cancer or keeping WWII vets from their own memorial is the Democrats.

    I am as well; we were supposed to move last weekend but can't until the shutdown is over. We are getting a home loan from the USDA and our paperwork was at the very last stage when the shutdown started and it completely screwed us. We've lost money and we'll likely lose more because we are having to stay in the house we are renting, the rent costs more than our mortgage for the new house will be, until the shutdown is over. Plus the house we are renting is falling apart and the house we are moving into is very nice and isn't filled with mold, has adequate room for all of our pets, doesn't let water leak all over the garage floor when it rains, and the plumbing doesn't leak and ruin the ceiling in the room where our dog sleeps.
    Yup. And if the GOP were to pass tomorrow the "Fund The USDA Home-Loan Program" bill in order to help people like you through the transition, Harry Reid and the President would either sit on or veto it. Because this is how they view the effects of the shut-down. They think it's a win-win for them; They demand 100% of everything and every day that Republicans don't give it to them, you get angrier and angrier... at Republicans. Why would they want to help you out? Having you in trouble is good politics for them.

    This is why I want the damn GOP to stop acting like petulant children and compromise like adults.
    oh please. The GOP has come out with compromise offer after compromise offer after compromise offer, offering little and small and floating trial balloon after trial balloon. Meanwhile the President and the Democrats have not only not offered a single compromise, they have rejected the notion of compromise. When the President says "I will not negotiate", that's not a compromising position - that's an all-or-nothing position. Like it or not, the GOP is the one offering options to compromise here, and so far the Democrats are refusing to accept even that they should have to.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    That is toned down.

    I'm a history buff. I know all too well how quickly "normal life" can be obliterated in war, subjugation, and ruin. As a society, we've traded a willingness to face harsh realities with limited resources and the assurance that progress is bought with pain and suffering for childish illusions in which evil and want can be magically erased.

    Need I list all the societies that thought themselves permanent, stable and secure and are dust now?


    There was an interesting bit by Mark Levin a while back about how the emotional basis for much of conservatism was gratitude - gratitude for what we had been passed down, gratitude for what had carefully been built up for so long to get us where we are, and that the emotional basis for much of liberalism was anger - anger at what was still wrong, anger at perceived unfairness or injustice, and that much of the conflict between the two stemmed from the fact that, in their anger to tear at perceived injustice, liberals often tore at what conservatives were grateful for.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Just in case any of you are wondering who is actually responsible for the continuing on-going Govt. shut down, it's the guy who was offered literally everything he wanted, but for a shorter time, with the request that he pretty-please be willing to negotiate in the meantime on something - anything, and still said no ; because he thinks that the longer more people are in pain, the better off he does politically.




    There you have it. The next time anyone in the Administration complains about the shutdown or coming debt limit, remind them that they value it less than the opportunity to perhaps divide some of their political opposition.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Why should Obama back down on anything when it's clear the Republicans are folding and willing to do pretty much anything he says he wants?
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