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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    People can dart about like butterflies singing peons to their freedoms, real and imaginary, sublime and perverse, until that not too distant future in which they discover that they are wholly owned by our creditors, or by hostiles that we haven't the power or will to resist.
    Tone it down. Atlas Shrugged was a book. It was intended to entertain not to grow the population of the mentally ill.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    the Left operates in denial of arithmetic
    Just to make matters worse. The right operates in denial of arithmetic as well.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    People are suffering because of this shutdown
    Where are these suffering people? I haven't met any of them. My $15,080 per year salary is still the same. I am still vulnerable to lose my income tomorrow for any reason or no reason at all. My income and my level of vulnerability doesn't decrease when government employees earning $75,000 per year get fired.

    Why should we cater to 800,000 citizens who are robbing the government blind while ignoring the other 34,000,000 citizens that would be thrilled to have a job earning $15,080 per year? The government isn't mandated to make bad decisions. Many companies, charities, state governments and local governments have been firing their high paid employees and replacing them with cheaper labor since 2009. Why should the government continue to submit to the demands of these 800,000 thieves? This is outrageous. Fire them all and fire them 5 years ago.

    Yes people suffer when they get fired but government has to look out for the whole country not just one sad story. Do us all a favor start looking at the whole picture.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary - the deal did indeed open the government back up.
    No it did not, it would have increased the debt ceiling, but not open up the government. Your information is wrong, try getting information that doesn't come from biased, unreliable sites like the on you posted in the OP.

    Unlike Leader "why should I care if I can save a child" Reid and President "why should I sign a bill that would help people when doing so would take pressure off of Republicans" Obama?

    Republicans are the only ones thus far that have offered any compromises in the name of good governance. I'm not saying they're great, and I'm sure not saying they are operating on a desirable model, but if you want to start pointing fingers around that town in the intention of finding out which party is demonstrably more dedicated to good governance....
    That is not what they said, you are just not presenting the facts at all. They both want a clean CR that opens the government, what they are against, and rightfully so, is the republicans putting up piecemeal legislation funding the government instead of funding the government as a whole. That is just bad governance, and that was done for the sole purpose so they could put out those exact talking points you just parroted. It was a political maneuver and nothing more. They didn't give a **** about the kids with cancer or people trying to get into memorials; they just wanted to score political points.

    Hey, I'm one of them. I'm supposed to be moving my family back to the states - but we are stuck here overseas until this thing opens up. My ability to get a job and take care of my family is getting chipped away at day by day by this thing. It's already cost me money, and will cost me more before it's over. That's why I want the damn President to stop acting like a petulant child and compromise like an adult.
    I am as well; we were supposed to move last weekend but can't until the shutdown is over. We are getting a home loan from the USDA and our paperwork was at the very last stage when the shutdown started and it completely screwed us. We've lost money and we'll likely lose more because we are having to stay in the house we are renting, the rent costs more than our mortgage for the new house will be, until the shutdown is over. Plus the house we are renting is falling apart and the house we are moving into is very nice and isn't filled with mold, has adequate room for all of our pets, doesn't let water leak all over the garage floor when it rains, and the plumbing doesn't leak and ruin the ceiling in the room where our dog sleeps.

    This is why I want the damn GOP to stop acting like petulant children and compromise like adults.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They didn't give a **** about the kids with cancer or people trying to get into memorials; they just wanted to score political points.
    Congress passed these bills with little opposition from Republicans:

    H.J.Res.70 Open Our National Parks and Museums Bill (1 republican against)

    H.J.Res.73 Research For Life Saving Cures Bill (1 republican against)

    H.J.Res.85 National Emergency and Disaster Recovery Bill (0 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res 75 Nutrition Assistance for Low-Income Women and Children Bill (0 republicans against)

    H.R.3223 Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act (0 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res.77 Food & Drug Safety Bill (1 Republican against)

    H.J.Res.84 Head Start For Low-Income Children Bill (2 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res.89 Federal Worker Pay Fairness Bill (0 Republicans against)


    Wouldn't it be funny for democrats to allow it to backfire on Republicans by signing these pieces of legislation into law? It would force the Republicans to get something that they didn't even want. Sorry. I have a sick and twisted sense of humor but republicans should be punished for being phoney.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    The President is right to reject the 6-week offer. It would create economic uncertainty heading into the Christmas shopping season.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    I would say the rpesident is correct in doing what he did and I'll tell you why. Congress as a whole needs to think beyond partisan crap like 6 weeks. It's damn well known that this is just a delay on the GOP part and Dem part as well. We need a WHOLE budget and soluition, not just something that looks pretty on an election cycle of 2014.

    The fact of the matter spending cuts need to happen, but they aren't going to happen as drastically as the tea party conservatives want. And I say that as someone who supports cuts. What the tea party wants is Ron Paul style cuts, it just isnt' going to happen in this short of time. While the Dems have failed to come up with the budget, the GOP has gone right along with it allowing it.

    Bottom line is, there won't be DRASTIC cuts and the right needs to realize this. If they don't like it, use it as a point for the 2014 mid-term elections.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I would say the rpesident is correct in doing what he did and I'll tell you why. Congress as a whole needs to think beyond partisan crap like 6 weeks. It's damn well known that this is just a delay on the GOP part and Dem part as well. We need a WHOLE budget and soluition, not just something that looks pretty on an election cycle of 2014.

    The fact of the matter spending cuts need to happen, but they aren't going to happen as drastically as the tea party conservatives want. And I say that as someone who supports cuts. What the tea party wants is Ron Paul style cuts, it just isnt' going to happen in this short of time. While the Dems have failed to come up with the budget, the GOP has gone right along with it allowing it.

    Bottom line is, there won't be DRASTIC cuts and the right needs to realize this. If they don't like it, use it as a point for the 2014 mid-term elections.
    except the differences between what the democrats and republicans on the issue of creating a budget are as vast as the Marianas trench

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    except the differences between what the democrats and republicans on the issue of creating a budget are as vast as the Marianas trench
    Yes, they are. However, after 4 years, don't you think the government should have a budget? I do a 6 month budget of my household and can't imagine going 4 years without one and remain successful. Can you?

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, they are. However, after 4 years, don't you think the government should have a budget?
    yes but i think you have to lock the congress and senate inside their respective rooms and do not let them out until they have a budget, oh and cut their access to press conferences so they can focus on work and not pulling off stupid stunts.

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