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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    It stops at the point of the object of their concern. I think the RW sucks more (implying both do suck) because its only concern is corporations. A country is its people, not just the ones with enough money to buy politicians.
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    Well please by all means show me how both parties don't suck given our current economical and political environment we have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Exactly, both parties have walked hand in hand in running up the debt. Each blames the other. Reagan could have run up his debt without the Tip O'Neil and the Democratic Controlled House going along. Bush the first is the same, Democrats in congress first had to approve the debt and spending. Clinton and a Republican brought some fiscal responsibility to the scene, but Bush the second once again exploded the debt and Obama has let of two or three explosions in increasing it.

    But we are stuck in the mind frame of Republicans pointing fingers and blaming solely the Democrats and the Democrats blame solely the Republicans when the truth is the debt couldn't have been run up like it was and is without the cooperation of both parties. Both have real dirty hands and no soap in the world will be able to clense them.
    : As you have stated previously, Party loyalty seems to have taken over, and pushed the "good of the country" out the door. I don't see that changing until we drop off the cliff, either, so I guess we're stuck in this miserable rut until reality takes over! Why can't people see this? :

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : As you have stated previously, Party loyalty seems to have taken over, and pushed the "good of the country" out the door. I don't see that changing until we drop off the cliff, either, so I guess we're stuck in this miserable rut until reality takes over! Why can't people see this? :

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    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : As you have stated previously, Party loyalty seems to have taken over, and pushed the "good of the country" out the door. I don't see that changing until we drop off the cliff, either, so I guess we're stuck in this miserable rut until reality takes over! Why can't people see this? :

    Greetings, Pero.
    Historically, reality usually comes in the form of a tremendous amount of pain, and can take generations to manifest fully. In my honest fully informed opinion, the US is past any point where we can right the ship without a great deal of pain and suffering. The ideological divide is so great that one cannot span a bridge long enough, nor architecturally sound enough to bring it together. Things that we all should agree on regardless of party affiliation or ideology seem impassable, life-altering compromises for the pols. Things like passing a budget are among the most basic, most reasonable things we as citizens should expect from a government for its very function, yet, we haven't had one in a quite some time. First off let me disclose that I am one of those crazy loons that not only does not buy the narrative that the government will default on its promises but that it is an absolute lie, and it's being reported in lock-step by all media sources as a form of intimidation. The truth is that the US government will not default on its debts, and it could never happen, it won't happen and it will not happen even if government is shut down for good. The really reason pols want this mess dealt with as fast as politically viable is that they, NONE of them want to see just how bloated our government really is. If we see that our federal government can function with relative ease in the face of our shutdown, it begs some very serious questions; questions that should be asked of all citizens, and regardless of political rancor.


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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Historically, reality usually comes in the form of a tremendous amount of pain, and can take generations to manifest fully. In my honest fully informed opinion, the US is past any point where we can right the ship without a great deal of pain and suffering. The ideological divide is so great that one cannot span a bridge long enough, nor architecturally sound enough to bring it together. Things that we all should agree on regardless of party affiliation or ideology seem impassable, life-altering compromises for the pols. Things like passing a budget are among the most basic, most reasonable things we as citizens should expect from a government for its very function, yet, we haven't had one in a quite some time. First off let me disclose that I am one of those crazy loons that not only does not buy the narrative that the government will default on its promises but that it is an absolute lie, and it's being reported in lock-step by all media sources as a form of intimidation. The truth is that the US government will not default on its debts, and it could never happen, it won't happen and it will not happen even if government is shut down for good. The really reason pols want this mess dealt with as fast as politically viable is that they, NONE of them want to see just how bloated our government really is. If we see that our federal government can function with relative ease in the face of our shutdown, it begs some very serious questions; questions that should be asked of all citizens, and regardless of political rancor.


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    Excellent post! I fully agree with you. People really do need to learn how to take care of themselves and their families, because the government will look out for their interests FIRST, as we've seen, and the shock and suffering of the rest of the country will be impossible to imagine. It's not too late yet, but it soon might be. Then the hue and cry will be..."why weren't we warned?" :thumbsdown:

    Greetings, Hicup.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Excellent post! I fully agree with you. People really do need to learn how to take care of themselves and their families, because the government will look out for their interests FIRST, as we've seen, and the shock and suffering of the rest of the country will be impossible to imagine. It's not too late yet, but it soon might be. Then the hue and cry will be..."why weren't we warned?" :thumbsdown:

    Greetings, Hicup.
    Thanks, and greetings to you too.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So there has been NO debt under a GOP president? Funny how when there is a GOP president, the right was the one saying raise the debt ceiling. Amazing how that works.
    Many of us were not happy, at all, and vocal against the amount of spending under GW.

    But to be intellectually honest, you have to admit the debt has jumped to a whole 'nother level under the current president. GW looks like an amateur compared to the boob when it comes to that.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Many of us were not happy, at all, and vocal against the amount of spending under GW.

    But to be intellectually honest, you have to admit the debt has jumped to a whole 'nother level under the current president. GW looks like an amateur compared to the boob when it comes to that.
    GWB Doubled the debt from when Clinton had and Obama has doubled the debt from GWB. As for you and others being "vocal" about it, I call Bull****. Many of YOU and others voted for Bush AGAIN despite his actions. So, your being "vocal" did nothing and your ultimate support at the polls showed your support of Bush's spending. As I said before you and others complain about Dems spending, yet when a Republican does it you vote for him again. Typical hypocrites.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

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    There was an interesting bit by Mark Levin a while back about how the emotional basis for much of conservatism was gratitude - gratitude for what we had been passed down, gratitude for what had carefully been built up for so long to get us where we are, and that the emotional basis for much of liberalism was anger - anger at what was still wrong, anger at perceived unfairness or injustice, and that much of the conflict between the two stemmed from the fact that, in their anger to tear at perceived injustice, liberals often tore at what conservatives were grateful for.

    Civilization is fragile. It takes but one generation to wreck.
    Yes, conservatives were so grateful with Bush and his spending they voted for him twice. Many on the right, just as with many on the left, are such hypocrites. When a Republican is in charge the right excuses the spending with VOTES, while the left complains. Then when a Dem is in charge the left excuses the spending with VOTES, while the right complains.

    The conservatives that "say" they were against Bush's spending rewarded him with a second term by voting for him. The right side of the isle is no better than the left. Just two sides of the same coin. There are republicans AND conservatives that don't mind the government intervening and spending on big government as long as it is for what THEY want. They may say they don't like the spending, yet their votes when their guy is in charge says something COMPLETELY different.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It stops at the point of the object of their concern. I think the RW sucks more (implying both do suck) because its only concern is corporations. A country is its people, not just the ones with enough money to buy politicians.
    No, their other concern is "morality" and they don't mind using big government to achieve those means. Again, not saying the left doesn't do it with their sacred cows, but to suggest is is only one side is incorrect. BOTH sides are corrupt.

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