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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    My belief it isn't a good thing to do, but I'm not in the bit delusioned to not realize this is all political. When the right is in charge, they spend like drunken sailors as well only they spend on stuff THEY want.

    We see it time and time again. When the right is in charge, they spend and the left complains about it. When the left is in charge, they spend and the right complains about it. Same ole ****, different day and both sides eat up the rhetoric like it was sugar smack.


    I will agree that both parties are peopled by lying thieves that are whores for anyone who will give them a dime. There are plenty of takers.

    The Dems in the last 5 years have exceeded any limit of avarice ever established by anyone before at any time, in any organization, government or group. My apologies to crack whores and pimps who may feel slighted that they have been bettered by this class of folks.

    In the USA this year, we will have collected more tax than in any year in our history and we will still be posting a deficit never reached before the Obama Administration. That's just got to impress you.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I will agree that both parties are people by lying thieves that are whores for anyone who will give them a dime. There are plenty of takers.

    The Dems in the last 5 years have exceeded any limit of avarice ever established by anyone before at any time, in any organization, government or group.

    In the USA this year, we will have collected more tax than in any year in our history and we will still be posting a deficit never reached before the Obama Administration. That's just got to impress you.
    The debt and spending has been going up by EACH presidency. Bush doubled Clinton's debt, Obama's doubled Bush's debt. Somewhere in there before Reagan tripled the debt.

    So what does it tell you when EACH presiency that the debt has gone up regardless of whether it was a Dem or Republican president? Sounds to me like both parties suck.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    IF that is the only measure you use, yes both parties suck. But I dont believe the US is a corporation, so maybe we should look at other indicators to decide which really sucks worse, or more, or something like that...
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The debt and spending has been going up by EACH presidency. Bush doubled Clinton's debt, Obama's doubled Bush's debt. Somewhere in there before Reagan tripled the debt.

    So what does it tell you when EACH presiency that the debt has gone up regardless of whether it was a Dem or Republican president? Sounds to me like both parties suck.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Just in case any of you are wondering who is actually responsible for the continuing on-going Govt. shut down, it's the guy who was offered literally everything he wanted, but for a shorter time, with the request that he pretty-please be willing to negotiate in the meantime on something - anything, and still said no ; because he thinks that the longer more people are in pain, the better off he does politically.




    There you have it. The next time anyone in the Administration complains about the shutdown or coming debt limit, remind them that they value it less than the opportunity to perhaps divide some of their political opposition.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    The thing here is both parties and the president are being hurt by the shutdown. The Republicans are being hurt much more and their numbers have plumeted. From 30% of the American people who would identify with them down to 20%, a whopping 10 point drop. But the Democrats have dropped too, from 35% to 30% a five point drop, but they had higher numbers to begin with so the drop in their party numbers means far less. They know in our two party system, a race between 2 candidates it doesn't matter if 70% of the electorate would prefer someone else, they know 80% of the electorate prefer someone else than their opponent.

    So no need to do anything as long as the other party is falling more than yours. I do not think the Dems care if they fall to 15% of the people who like them, as long as the Republicans fall to 10% So what, the people only get a choice between the two parties. The are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils, which in today is the Democrats. But friends, even if the Democrats are the lesser of two evils when it comes to the two parties, you are still electing evil.

    Hence it will continue to be business as usual until we fall into that fiscal abyss thanks to the people and a system that dictates the election of the lesser of two evils.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    IF that is the only measure you use, yes both parties suck. But I dont believe the US is a corporation, so maybe we should look at other indicators to decide which really sucks worse, or more, or something like that...
    Take a look at all the indicators you want, the Dems and Reps (presidency and in congress) have failed us. Neither side is clean, so it's rather pathetic to see one side or the other claim some "morality" in spending or government control. Both sides use big government for the things THEY want and BOTH sides spend like mad.

    When the right is in charge, they spend while the left complains and when the left is in charge they spend while the right complains.

    So please tell me how one side is magically "moral" on spending or getting rid of big government.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Magically? I think the Republicans generally err on the side of big business and the left on the side of social justice, yes they both spend our money freely. I can go with the both sides suck routine, but only so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Take a look at all the indicators you want, the Dems and Reps (presidency and in congress) have failed us. Neither side is clean, so it's rather pathetic to see one side or the other claim some "morality" in spending or government control. Both sides use big government for the things THEY want and BOTH sides spend like mad.

    When the right is in charge, they spend while the left complains and when the left is in charge they spend while the right complains.

    So please tell me how one side is magically "moral" on spending or getting rid of big government.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The debt and spending has been going up by EACH presidency. Bush doubled Clinton's debt, Obama's doubled Bush's debt. Somewhere in there before Reagan tripled the debt.

    So what does it tell you when EACH presiency that the debt has gone up regardless of whether it was a Dem or Republican president? Sounds to me like both parties suck.
    Exactly, both parties have walked hand in hand in running up the debt. Each blames the other. Reagan could have run up his debt without the Tip O'Neil and the Democratic Controlled House going along. Bush the first is the same, Democrats in congress first had to approve the debt and spending. Clinton and a Republican brought some fiscal responsibility to the scene, but Bush the second once again exploded the debt and Obama has let of two or three explosions in increasing it.

    But we are stuck in the mind frame of Republicans pointing fingers and blaming solely the Democrats and the Democrats blame solely the Republicans when the truth is the debt couldn't have been run up like it was and is without the cooperation of both parties. Both have real dirty hands and no soap in the world will be able to clense them.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The Tea Party has demonized everyone and everything that disagrees with them. I think if either party used those words the other would appropriately accuse them of plagiarism. I dont think "othering" everyone that even slightly disagrees with you is very American. Notice how you refer to Demo's as the "faithful?" Exactly where and when does the Leftys assert people are weak and stupid? Unfettered capitalism would destroy this country far quicker than social programs. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for big business...
    Nobody is calling for "unfettered" capitalism and I don't think anyone ever has in a serious forum of ideas.

    The Democrat faithful are the folks that attend Obama rallies. The TEA Party faithful are those that attend TEA Party rallies. There is no aspersion cast by calling someone "faithful".

    Assuming that a person will fail is assuming that they are weak. John Wooden said, may not have authored, that the worst thing you can do to anyone is to do something for them that they can and should do for themselves. It is easy to say that a person needs help, so let's all pitch in and help, but the key to strengthening any individual is to teach them to accept that the key to anyone's life happiness is found through hard work and careful planning.

    Where is the message or the messenger in the Democrat Party that preaches constantly that hard work and careful planning are important in everyone's life? I can't think of any.

    Where is the message or the messenger in the Democrat party that preaches that the ills of the afflicted are founded in the success of others? Pretty much describes the entire party and all of its leaders.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Magically? I think the Republicans generally err on the side of big business and the left on the side of social justice, yes they both spend our money freely. I can go with the both sides suck routine, but only so far.
    Well please by all means show me how both parties don't suck given our current economical and political environment we have now.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The debt and spending has been going up by EACH presidency. Bush doubled Clinton's debt, Obama's doubled Bush's debt. Somewhere in there before Reagan tripled the debt.

    So what does it tell you when EACH presiency that the debt has gone up regardless of whether it was a Dem or Republican president? Sounds to me like both parties suck.
    They do.

    What might be the solution to the rising debt?
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