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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

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    And the Right operates in the elementary arena of arithmetic, not realizing the complicated real world takes at the very least advanced algebra.
    Not always....

    1 lousy president + 1 idiot VP + 1 feckless Senate Majority Leader - 1 House Speaker [ demoted to House Minority Leader ] = mountains of debt and failed policy, both foreign and domestic.

    Some of it is fairly simple.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Thank you so much for proving my point so well.
    Case closed.
    Yep, as long as we both understand you are wrong...completely satisfied with that assessment.

    That is even simpler math....One for me, zero for you.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I was talking about why I, and a lot of other people, think Tea Party types are so far right wing they could be considered whacky. The MSM is usually why my tea party frinds point to as a cause. I dont necessarily buy the Kennedy comparison.


    "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Probably one of the most famous quotes from American politics.

    If it were to be said today, is it more likely it would be said by a TEA Party member or Nancy Pelosi? Harry Reid? Barrack Obama?

    Beyond that, is it more likely that it would be accorded icon status or riddled with criticism as being accusatory, mean spirited and racist.

    The country has been changed from what it was to what it is. What any country is at any point in time is largely determined by how powerful or incompetent the people who comprise it view themselves to be as individuals.

    Our country has changed from one comprised of individuals who are proud and confident that they will succeed to one where individuals are despairing and fearful knowing that they will fail. This is the failure of our leaders and their leadership.

    This is the inevitable destination of the journey into socialism. It is the difference between between being the people that choose to do these things because they are difficult and being the people who didn't build that.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    As I understand it, originally the TEA party was simply Taxed enough already. The rest of the baggage that comes with the tea party, the crazy whacky social issues part and the corporate interests, is not something they are doing for their country, but to their country. If you just look at the mythical scandals the right gins up to keeps the RW's fired up all the time, that does far more harm to the country than good. At least have some evidence before accusing people of stuff. It destroys what little creditability the TP might have. No, I dont believe the TP has the country's best interest at heart, I believe it has Koch industries (and others) at heart. The Tea party saying to ask what would be best for the country would sound out of character to me, but hearing them ask what is best for business, well that is very common theme. The tea party's problem is it it is the party of well off old white guys, and there just aint that many of us around anymore, it is going to be difficult to run the country considering our interest alone. Take the tone of your post below. Anyone that disagrees with your groups opinions are antiAmerican, and accuses everyone that disagrees with them as being racist or lazy or some other character disorder. Funny, the tea party is a group who wished to do things because they are difficult (oh, how wonderful) and those that did not build that. Them people...
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Probably one of the most famous quotes from American politics.

    If it were to be said today, is it more likely it would be said by a TEA Party member or Nancy Pelosi? Harry Reid? Barrack Obama?

    Beyond that, is it more likely that it would be accorded icon status or riddled with criticism as being accusatory, mean spirited and racist.

    The country has been changed from what it was to what it is. What any country is at any point in time is largely determined by how powerful or incompetent the people who comprise it view themselves to be as individuals.

    Our country has changed from one comprised of individuals who are proud and confident that they will succeed to one where individuals are despairing and fearful knowing that they will fail. This is the failure of our leaders and their leadership.

    This is the inevitable destination of the journey into socialism. It is the difference between between being the people that choose to do these things because they are difficult and being the people who didn't build that.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yep, as long as we both understand you are wrong...completely satisfied with that assessment.

    That is even simpler math....One for me, zero for you.
    So there has been NO debt under a GOP president? Funny how when there is a GOP president, the right was the one saying raise the debt ceiling. Amazing how that works.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    As I understand it, originally the TEA party was simply Taxed enough already. The rest of the baggage that comes with the tea party, the crazy whacky social issues part and the corporate interests, is not something they are doing for their country, but to their country. If you just look at the mythical scandals the right gins up to keeps the RW's fired up all the time, that does far more harm to the country than good. At least have some evidence before accusing people of stuff. It destroys what little creditability the TP might have. No, I dont believe the TP has the country's best interest at heart, I believe it has Koch industries (and others) at heart. The Tea party saying to ask what would be best for the country would sound out of character to me, but hearing them ask what is best for business, well that is very common theme. The tea party's problem is it it is the party of well off old white guys, and there just aint that many of us around anymore, it is going to be difficult to run the country considering our interest alone. Take the tone of your post below. Anyone that disagrees with your groups opinions are antiAmerican, and accuses everyone that disagrees with them as being racist or lazy or some other character disorder. Funny, the tea party is a group who wished to do things because they are difficult (oh, how wonderful) and those that did not build that. Them people...


    So, which party would be more likely to echo those words of JFK right now at a political rally?

    Can you really imagine that a current Democrat would say those words to a gathering of the faithful?

    The Democrat Party of today is one that asserts that people are weak and stupid and that the government is the only hope for their future and as such, must become ever larger and more intrusive into those areas of life that were once private sector concerns. This seems to be in stark contrast to the message put for by JFK.

    Your thoughts?
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So there has been NO debt under a GOP president? Funny how when there is a GOP president, the right was the one saying raise the debt ceiling. Amazing how that works.


    So what is YOUR belief on this? Is it good to run up a debt that will be the responsibility of our children and theirs to repay?
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    So what is YOUR belief on this? Is it good to run up a debt that will be the responsibility of our children and theirs to repay?
    My belief it isn't a good thing to do, but I'm not in the bit delusioned to not realize this is all political. When the right is in charge, they spend like drunken sailors as well only they spend on stuff THEY want.

    We see it time and time again. When the right is in charge, they spend and the left complains about it. When the left is in charge, they spend and the right complains about it. Same ole ****, different day and both sides eat up the rhetoric like it was sugar smack.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    So, which party would be more likely to echo those words of JFK right now at a political rally?
    Neither, at least not without lying through their teeth.

    Can you really imagine that a current Democrat would say those words to a gathering of the faithful?
    The "faithful"? Are you under the impression all Dems are athetist or something?

    The Democrat Party of today is one that asserts that people are weak and stupid and that the government is the only hope for their future and as such, must become ever larger and more intrusive into those areas of life that were once private sector concerns. This seems to be in stark contrast to the message put for by JFK.

    Your thoughts?
    And the Republicans think people are "morally weak" and need the government involvement there. Abortion, SSM, FCC making sure nothing "bad" is on T.V..

    The Republicans are just like the Dems in that they use big government for things THEY like. The Republicans are just another side of the same coin with the Dems.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    The Tea Party has demonized everyone and everything that disagrees with them. I think if either party used those words the other would appropriately accuse them of plagiarism. I dont think "othering" everyone that even slightly disagrees with you is very American. Notice how you refer to Demo's as the "faithful?" Exactly where and when does the Leftys assert people are weak and stupid? Unfettered capitalism would destroy this country far quicker than social programs. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for big business...
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    So, which party would be more likely to echo those words of JFK right now at a political rally?

    Can you really imagine that a current Democrat would say those words to a gathering of the faithful?

    The Democrat Party of today is one that asserts that people are weak and stupid and that the government is the only hope for their future and as such, must become ever larger and more intrusive into those areas of life that were once private sector concerns. This seems to be in stark contrast to the message put for by JFK.

    Your thoughts?
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