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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Congress is at 5%, so obviously none of them care.
    Congress has always been disliked. But for most people they loved their own congressman, but hated the other 434. Today in a poll yesterday, 60% of Americans said kick the bums out to include their own congressman. Almost every media market, newspaper etc just glossed over this. But it does show most Americans are fed up with both parties as did the stats I just gave you in my other post.

    How long will this last? That is the question as the parties are banking on when the people go to the poll all of this will be long forgotten. They are probably right, Americans have short memories and rarely hold something long term against one party or the other. Other events and issues will have replaced the shutdown. So we will see what happens, but I am almost certain this shutdown will mean very little come next November, of 2014 I mean. Next month it still might be a big thing, that is until something bigger replaces it and it will.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Our congress has nothing to do with that considering we don't vote via popular vote in a democratic/constitutional republic (at least not on federal legislation)...

    I can't blame republicans for anything in this situation - they continually give the Senate bills and the Senate along with Obama reject them.... Republicans are at least trying here - the progressive democrats just want their cake and eat it...

    It's really that simple.

    Also, the only reason why republicans have taken a hit is because the MSM and the idiots that pay attention to their lies and propaganda do nothing more than champion democrats....

    The truth is extremely simple - republicans in the House sent several bills to the Senate and they were all denied because all progressives in the Senate care about is funding Obamacare...

    In this instance republicans are trying and democrats are acting like the 5-year-old in the checkout aisle stomping his/her feet because mommy wouldn't by him/her a candy bar
    Here is the thing, prior to the shut down, the Democrats proposed a 1.2 trillion dollar CR, the GOP wanted 980 billion. Then the Democrats agreed to what i think was 986 billion and it looked like a done deal. Then the Republicans added the rider to defund the ACA to an already agreed upon by both parties bill. There is no question about who started the shut down or who was initially responsible for it outside those die hard Republicans. A lick of common sense would have told any politician that the Democratic Senate would agree to defund Obamacare and if by chance they did, the president would veto the bill. The republicans over shot big time and all the misery and ilk now being brought down upon them was and is their own doing.

    Now they are looking towards the Democrat to help them out of the mess they created themselves. When it comes to political intelligence, no not intelligence, common sense over the last 2 years the Republicans have shown a remarkable lack of it. The democrats know how to play the political game, the republicans do not even know how to dress for the game. But the fact that the public also sees the Democrats not willing to negotiate has hurt them too. It has also hurt the president, but not as much as it has Republicans.

    You might say the Republicans stabbed themselves in the back, now the democrats just want to twist it some before they pull that knife out.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Here is the thing, prior to the shut down, the Democrats proposed a 1.2 trillion dollar CR, the GOP wanted 980 billion. Then the Democrats agreed to what i think was 986 billion and it looked like a done deal. Then the Republicans added the rider to defund the ACA to an already agreed upon by both parties bill. There is no question about who started the shut down or who was initially responsible for it outside those die hard Republicans. A lick of common sense would have told any politician that the Democratic Senate would agree to defund Obamacare and if by chance they did, the president would veto the bill. The republicans over shot big time and all the misery and ilk now being brought down upon them was and is their own doing.

    Now they are looking towards the Democrat to help them out of the mess they created themselves. When it comes to political intelligence, no not intelligence, common sense over the last 2 years the Republicans have shown a remarkable lack of it. The democrats know how to play the political game, the republicans do not even know how to dress for the game. But the fact that the public also sees the Democrats not willing to negotiate has hurt them too. It has also hurt the president, but not as much as it has Republicans.

    You might say the Republicans stabbed themselves in the back, now the democrats just want to twist it some before they pull that knife out.
    The House has refused to fund Obamacare since day one... This has nothing to do with anything other than Obamacare...

    Hell, the second Obamacare was passed I said "good luck getting it funded by the House."

    Republicans made no damn mess - progressives made all the mess with their epic spending on social programs and retarded regulations, taxes and outright bans that killed jobs...

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The House has refused to fund Obamacare since day one... This has nothing to do with anything other than Obamacare...

    Hell, the second Obamacare was passed I said "good luck getting it funded by the House."

    Republicans made no damn mess - progressives made all the mess with their epic spending on social programs and retarded regulations, taxes and outright bans that killed jobs...
    Spoken like a true die hard Republican. In fact both parties are guilty as all get out when it comes to the debt, both hands are dirty. Reagan a Republican added 1.873 trillion to the debt, he couldn't had done this with Tip O'Neal approval. Tip was the Speaker in a Democratic controlled House. This is an example of both parties walking down that path together. Bush the First added 1.484 trillion to the debt, again with a Democratic controlled House which neither party really attempted to stop. So both parties held hands in this spending extravagance. That is 3.721 trillion worth of spending both parties agreed to. I suppose one could blame all the spending during the first two years of Clinton on the Democrats alone, since Democrat's controlled both chambers and the presidency. That is 525 billion. But for the last six years of Clinton, the Republicans controlled congress so we are now back to both. Add another 523 billion to the both column which would put both parties responsible for 4.243 trillion Democrats only 525 billion.

    But then we have the first six years of Bush the Second. His first six years the republicans controlled both chambers of congress and of course the presidency. Call these year Republican only to the tune of 1.782 trillion, the remaining 2.902 trillion was added during Bush the Second last two years in which the Democrats controlled congress. Put that figure into the both column. So just prior to Obama taking office the totals are Both parties 7.145 trillion, Democrats only 525 billion, Republicans only 1.782 trillion.

    now the first two years of Obama was all Democrat because they controlled everything. Add 2.880 trillion to the Democratic only column and they now have 3.045 trillion, the republican only column 1.782 trillion and both parties stand at 7.145 trillion for the 11.972 worth of debt.
    Now add 4.028 trillion to both parties since the Republicans have controlled the House since January of 2011, you have these totals

    Both Parties Responsible 11.173 trillion
    Republicans only 1.782 trillion
    Democrats only 3.045 trillion

    Now this comes out to just 16 trillion, but one must remember that 994 billion prior to Reagan which adds up to the now 17 trillion or there about in debt.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Obama is such a failure of a leader. All he does is pass blame to the GOP, try to "make it hurt" in order to make it seem like the GOP are villains while the GOP is working and sending multiple bills through that he is unwilling to even negotiate on. I can't even stomach following him on Facebook anymore, literally all of his recent posts have been GOP hit pieces in an extremely hackish way without any kind of rational call for compromise.
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Well, anyone who has been paying attention the last five years knows he's unpresidential and a crappy leader. But the Republicans made one of the dumbest political moves of all time here.

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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    then explain to me why I think they are whacky RW nut jobs. Before you start on the MSM I probably have watched Fox more over the years than any, and at one time I was as far right as anyone. The Tea Party, at least today's version, is the party of uber conservatives, Palin, Rush Cruz and the others do not reflect the face of America today, thinking they do might be the problem.


    Kennedy extolled the virtue of limited spending and tax cuts as a tool to grow the economy.

    What does the MSM have to do with Kennedy?
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    I was talking about why I, and a lot of other people, think Tea Party types are so far right wing they could be considered whacky. The MSM is usually why my tea party frinds point to as a cause. I dont necessarily buy the Kennedy comparison.
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    Kennedy extolled the virtue of limited spending and tax cuts as a tool to grow the economy.

    What does the MSM have to do with Kennedy?
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    Re: Obama Rejects Latest House GOP Offer

    It's not their ideology that makes them wacky, it's the fact that they are political neophytes. Neophytes with the numbers to drag leadership into their ill advised battles.

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