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Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

Any decisions by UHC are driven by maximizing profitability and have nothing to do with health care quality.

If they can throw up a BS smokescreen blaming ACA (or anything else), they will in order to have something to hide behind.
 
"In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors.

Termination letters went to physicians caring for Medicare patients. Those letters were sent out to doctors caring for 'Medicare Advantage' patients. It's a plan, marketed to Seniors to provide additional services through UnitedHealthCare.

A mix of primary care and specialty doctors are affected by it. And it comes at a questionable time.

Open enrollment for Medicare starts next Tuesday, and it's still not clear at this time as to which doctors are still in the United network.

The Connecticut State Medical Society is fighting back. The biggest concern is patient access to healthcare."
Analysis: Budget talk ideas delay, don't resolve | Connecticut | onPolitix


Thousands of people are getting an early welcome to the age of no healthcare but health insurance for everyone. This isn't the first example and it will not be anywhere near the last. Obamadon'tcare is a bad idea and bad ideas do not get better with time.

For your sake, I hope you never get sick or hurt because Obama and the Dems have set up a plan that destroys healthcare. Not to mention the budget and jobs and....

It is much too early to see how the thing will play out. But it seems quite certain that there will be groups that will hurt, at least in the short and middle term.
 
You do know that Medicare enrollment mentioned is an annual thing, right? Has been for many years, as people need to sometimes change plans and others become of age to get onto the plan? Nothing to do with ACA, timing is simply similar because it's nearing year end.



The timing of the open enrollment and the impact of the ACA on the individual plans including those offered through Medicare is a coincidence.

The fact that they both are going to affect the same people is not lessened by this coincidence.
 
Technically Medicare is not part of the ACA. But the 200 billion that the ACA cut from the Medicare advantage plans is. One of the many points that has been made over and over is in doing such, people on Medicare will have fewer choices on where to get healthcare. In this case, that is what United healthcare is doing. And it is what others have already done and many more will do, limit choices which rations care which allows them to stay in business for a little while longer. Correlation equals causation here.

But back to the issue of Medicare. The IPAB will set the fees for Medicare. The IPAB will operate under the authority of the ACA. They are going to cut the payment to Medicare providers. This will cut the number of providers for people on Medicare. This will ration care for those on medicare. Correlation will equal causation here as well, it's just a matter of time.

If either of those actions don't get the costs down to what the government or the Secof health and Human services want, then the Sec of health and human services will be allowed to set the fees as he or she sees fit. All under the authority of the ACA. See here's more correlation that will equal causation, it's just waiting on it's time.




It's actually 419 billion, but I take your point.

Medicare’s ‘Piggy Bank’
 
The question is, for people who aren't all me me me, is if not, what are those that my tax and/or insurance dollars help take of going to do? No bleeding heart here, just seriously. Are they supposed to die in the streets? Are we supposed to continue as tax payers to be drained at ER rates instead of insurance rates? I'm sorry but any mathematical competent libertarian would see that ACA is not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot more fiscally responsible and will cost less tax dollars than what we have had. But it seems that libertarians and republicans don't believe in responsibility of the government to the people who pay taxes, but instead believe in the responsibility of the government to the employers of We, the People. I guess it's a reflection of how much all libertarians and republicans love their bosses.... yeah, right.



You're dreaming.

The now famous debacle of the web site for the ACA was budgeted at a cost of 96 million. It is currently, well, last week, at 632 million, rising with a bullet and it doesn't work.

The original price tag for this whole abortion was set at under 1 trillion. It has now risen to 2.3 trillion and is still rising with a bullet.

The cost of care has increased, the cost of insurance has increased, the cost of government subsidy has increased and you don't see that anything has increased?

What is it that you do see and is there anything I can sell you?
 
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Any decisions by UHC are driven by maximizing profitability and have nothing to do with health care quality.

If they can throw up a BS smokescreen blaming ACA (or anything else), they will in order to have something to hide behind.



They will make a profit in any case.

Before the 2.3 Trillion Dollars of Government subsidy, before the increase in the insurance premiums for all Americans and before the mandate that 30 million additional people buy insurance, before this whole extra influx of of trillions of dollars into the system via the ACA, UHC could support these people as employees (and probably pay for their insurance as well) and make a profit.

Now they need to cut costs.

What's wrong with this picture?
 
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It is much too early to see how the thing will play out. But it seems quite certain that there will be groups that will hurt, at least in the short and middle term.



In the long term, the pain and suffering will end.

It always does if you wait long enough.
 
In the long term, the pain and suffering will end.

It always does if you wait long enough.

That is convenient.

In the long run we are all dead.
 
That is convenient.

In the long run we are all dead.


My point exactly.

It goes hand in hand with the saying that all smokers quit eventually.
 
Any decisions by UHC are driven by maximizing profitability and have nothing to do with health care quality.

If they can throw up a BS smokescreen blaming ACA (or anything else), they will in order to have something to hide behind.

WOW that is a WOPPER of a lie.

Funnything is, there IS NO PROFIT in UHC to "maximize". This just shows you have NO CLUE what UHC is.

There is no CEO.
No wall street.
No extorsion
no jets
no yachts
No insurance at all

Only a Dr that gets paid a SET SALARY no matter if he treats 100 or 1000 a year. (and no bribes by mega corps)
you walk in , and get any and all HC you need. SIMPLE.
 
Good, they are getting rid of the fraudulent extorsionist criminals that call themselves Dr's.
 
Thanks for the off-topic response. I was referring to the OP of this thread. Please do not attempt to derail the thread.


This is a quote of what you posted:


"Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan
Can you tell me exactly how this is linked with Obamacare?"

Your post was asking what the layoff of medical employees has to do with Obamacare.

The reduction in payments to medical care facilities will amount at the current estimate in a reduction to the revenues of those businesses of about 419 billion dollars.

How can you think that a reduction in revenues will not impact the number of employees supported by those revenues.

We are currently at a head count reduction of about 9000 employees. It's going to rise from here.

If you don't think this topic is entirely concerned with healthcare costs, you don't understand this topic or this thread. Here it is again. You might want to read it for understanding this time.

Hospital Layoffs Rise In ObamaCare Era - Yahoo Finance
 
Last I recall Obama is not at fault for anything, it's always someone else fault.

If you remember, Obama changed his slogan from "Yes we can" to "You did it" in the last election. Everyone is OUR fault now.
 
It is much too early to see how the thing will play out.


No, it is not. When you plan on failure, you will always get what you plan for. Failure.
 
This is a quote of what you posted:


"Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan
Can you tell me exactly how this is linked with Obamacare?"

Your post was asking what the layoff of medical employees has to do with Obamacare.

I'll stop you right there, because that's where you made your mistake.

My question had nothing to do with medical employees in general and everything to do with the OP that started this thread.
 
WOW that is a WOPPER of a lie.

Funnything is, there IS NO PROFIT in UHC to "maximize". This just shows you have NO CLUE what UHC is.

There is no CEO.
No wall street.
No extorsion
no jets
no yachts
No insurance at all

Only a Dr that gets paid a SET SALARY no matter if he treats 100 or 1000 a year. (and no bribes by mega corps)
you walk in , and get any and all HC you need. SIMPLE.

So you are unaware that they are a legal US corporation who pays and engages lobbyists?

United Health Care is a subdivision of UnitedHealth Group.

You are probably unaware of their 2 large legal entanglements for consumer fraud, then?

You are probably also unaware of the SEC investigation where UHC executives were back dating documents for their stock options.

Do you know what stock options are?

Obviously you are clueless about what a CEO is and does.
William W McGuire has been CEO of UnitedHealth Group (UNH) for 14 years. Dr. McGuire has been with the company for 17 years . The 57 year old executive ranks 1 within Health care equipment & services
Forbes magazine reports that William W. McGuire, CEO of UnitedHealth Group) received compensation of $124.8 million in 2005.

I am sure that you are completely unaware that the SEC investigates public corporations.

You might want to step back and remove that clueless look from your face anytime now.

Sorry about your luck.
 
No, it is not. When you plan on failure, you will always get what you plan for. Failure.

That really has nothing to do with it. This is a major change in a central function of society. It will take years to begin to understand, what all but a few initial impacts are. In two decades we will be somewhat clearer on what the effects might be. Just look at the German system.
 
I'll stop you right there, because that's where you made your mistake.

My question had nothing to do with medical employees in general and everything to do with the OP that started this thread.



This is the post to which you responded:

" Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree
"In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors."

You asked that poster how this is linked with Obamacare and I provided the link to answer your confusion.

I'm sorry if getting information when you ask for it somehow is an inconvenience for your reality.
 
This is the post to which you responded:

" Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree
"In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors."

You asked that poster how this is linked with Obamacare and I provided the link to answer your confusion.

No, you provided a link to another subject -- hospital layoffs. I didn't ask about hospital layoffs. I asked about how UnitedHealthCare laying off doctors was related to Obamacare.

I'm sorry if getting information when you ask for it somehow is an inconvenience for your reality.

I'm sorry that you can't see you aren't answering my question.
 
No, you provided a link to another subject -- hospital layoffs. I didn't ask about hospital layoffs. I asked about how UnitedHealthCare laying off doctors was related to Obamacare.



I'm sorry that you can't see you aren't answering my question.



Well, you seem to be challenged when the dots need to be connected.

Here is a link that connects them for you:

Doctors Fired, Administrators Hired: America’s Naivety Leads To Bad Medicine

<snip>
The reason? The company won’t dare say this, but they had to do something to stave-off their decline in revenues, a phenomenon brought about by – you guessed it – the new federal healthcare law, AKA “Obamacare.”

President Obama once famously promised “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,” but that promise is not being kept for Medicare patients in Connecticut. The physicians who are losing their employment are specifically assigned to treat Medicare benefits’ recipients there. And this may be only the beginning of Medicare patients “losing their doctor,” because the Obamacare law reduces funding for the elderly and disabled recipients of Medicare benefits, just as it takes-on the burden of funding new websites, databases, subsidies for those who will receive health insurance “for free,” and lots and lots of new federal “administrators.”
<snip>

Here's more:

Obamacare
 
Well, you seem to be challenged when the dots need to be connected.

No, I was merely asking the person who started this thread to connect them. That allows me to address their actual point rather than assume what their point was.

Here is a link that connects them for you:

From one of the links in that link:

Dr. Saffir says the State Medical Society is in contact with UnitedHealthcare. They are also asking doctors to call United to find out why they were terminated without cause as notified in the letter.

In other words, the doctors don't know why they were fired, and the article you linked to didn't provide any evidence to back up its assertion as to why this happened.

As such, while I'm sure you feel your link answers my question, it in fact does not.
 
No, I was merely asking the person who started this thread to connect them. That allows me to address their actual point rather than assume what their point was.



From one of the links in that link:



In other words, the doctors don't know why they were fired, and the article you linked to didn't provide any evidence to back up its assertion as to why this happened.

As such, while I'm sure you feel your link answers my question, it in fact does not.




Pulling 419 billion dollars of revenue out of any system is bound to be reflected in a reduction of the costs that those revenues support.

It is possible that the terminations were merely coincidental and would have happened in any event. It sounded from the article as if the Minnesota based firm was making reductions exclusive to Pennsylvania.

It could be something in the State of Pennsylvania that is driving this.

The fact that this is occurring while 9000 other health care workers, including other doctors, are falling victim to cuts driven by the ACA funding changes seems to be more than just a coincidence. Perhaps the ACA in Pennsylvania exchanges arranged a contract with a different physicians group and UHC has projected there will not be sufficient work to keep their network intact in that state.

Is there anyone from Pennsylvania reading this?
 
The question is, for people who aren't all me me me, is if not, what are those that my tax and/or insurance dollars help take of going to do? No bleeding heart here, just seriously. Are they supposed to die in the streets? Are we supposed to continue as tax payers to be drained at ER rates instead of insurance rates? I'm sorry but any mathematical competent libertarian would see that ACA is not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot more fiscally responsible and will cost less tax dollars than what we have had. But it seems that libertarians and republicans don't believe in responsibility of the government to the people who pay taxes, but instead believe in the responsibility of the government to the employers of We, the People. I guess it's a reflection of how much all libertarians and republicans love their bosses.... yeah, right.

my point wasn't to argue about Obamacare or your ignorance of libertarians... it was to simply point out your very strange healthcare priorities and your small minded "greed" argument.
 
Pulling 419 billion dollars of revenue out of any system is bound to be reflected in a reduction of the costs that those revenues support.

It is possible that the terminations were merely coincidental and would have happened in any event. It sounded from the article as if the Minnesota based firm was making reductions exclusive to Pennsylvania.

It could be something in the State of Pennsylvania that is driving this.

The fact that this is occurring while 9000 other health care workers, including other doctors, are falling victim to cuts driven by the ACA funding changes seems to be more than just a coincidence. Perhaps the ACA in Pennsylvania exchanges arranged a contract with a different physicians group and UHC has projected there will not be sufficient work to keep their network intact in that state.

Is there anyone from Pennsylvania reading this?
So correct me if I'm wrong, but you're admitting here that you are creating a theory that has no link to any real data regarding these particular firings? Which would mean to say you are creating a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are great and vague conincidents always seem to support the POTENTIAL for the theory, but until you have some viable linkage, it's just a conspiracy theory.
 
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