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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This is a quote of what you posted:


    "Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan
    Can you tell me exactly how this is linked with Obamacare?"

    Your post was asking what the layoff of medical employees has to do with Obamacare.
    I'll stop you right there, because that's where you made your mistake.

    My question had nothing to do with medical employees in general and everything to do with the OP that started this thread.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    WOW that is a WOPPER of a lie.

    Funnything is, there IS NO PROFIT in UHC to "maximize". This just shows you have NO CLUE what UHC is.

    There is no CEO.
    No wall street.
    No extorsion
    no jets
    no yachts
    No insurance at all

    Only a Dr that gets paid a SET SALARY no matter if he treats 100 or 1000 a year. (and no bribes by mega corps)
    you walk in , and get any and all HC you need. SIMPLE.
    So you are unaware that they are a legal US corporation who pays and engages lobbyists?

    United Health Care is a subdivision of UnitedHealth Group.

    You are probably unaware of their 2 large legal entanglements for consumer fraud, then?

    You are probably also unaware of the SEC investigation where UHC executives were back dating documents for their stock options.

    Do you know what stock options are?

    Obviously you are clueless about what a CEO is and does.
    William W McGuire has been CEO of UnitedHealth Group (UNH) for 14 years. Dr. McGuire has been with the company for 17 years . The 57 year old executive ranks 1 within Health care equipment & services
    Forbes magazine reports that William W. McGuire, CEO of UnitedHealth Group) received compensation of $124.8 million in 2005.

    I am sure that you are completely unaware that the SEC investigates public corporations.

    You might want to step back and remove that clueless look from your face anytime now.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    No, it is not. When you plan on failure, you will always get what you plan for. Failure.
    That really has nothing to do with it. This is a major change in a central function of society. It will take years to begin to understand, what all but a few initial impacts are. In two decades we will be somewhat clearer on what the effects might be. Just look at the German system.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'll stop you right there, because that's where you made your mistake.

    My question had nothing to do with medical employees in general and everything to do with the OP that started this thread.


    This is the post to which you responded:

    " Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree
    "In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors."

    You asked that poster how this is linked with Obamacare and I provided the link to answer your confusion.

    I'm sorry if getting information when you ask for it somehow is an inconvenience for your reality.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This is the post to which you responded:

    " Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree
    "In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors."

    You asked that poster how this is linked with Obamacare and I provided the link to answer your confusion.
    No, you provided a link to another subject -- hospital layoffs. I didn't ask about hospital layoffs. I asked about how UnitedHealthCare laying off doctors was related to Obamacare.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm sorry if getting information when you ask for it somehow is an inconvenience for your reality.
    I'm sorry that you can't see you aren't answering my question.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, you provided a link to another subject -- hospital layoffs. I didn't ask about hospital layoffs. I asked about how UnitedHealthCare laying off doctors was related to Obamacare.



    I'm sorry that you can't see you aren't answering my question.


    Well, you seem to be challenged when the dots need to be connected.

    Here is a link that connects them for you:

    Doctors Fired, Administrators Hired: America’s Naivety Leads To Bad Medicine

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    The reason? The company won’t dare say this, but they had to do something to stave-off their decline in revenues, a phenomenon brought about by – you guessed it – the new federal healthcare law, AKA “Obamacare.”

    President Obama once famously promised “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,” but that promise is not being kept for Medicare patients in Connecticut. The physicians who are losing their employment are specifically assigned to treat Medicare benefits’ recipients there. And this may be only the beginning of Medicare patients “losing their doctor,” because the Obamacare law reduces funding for the elderly and disabled recipients of Medicare benefits, just as it takes-on the burden of funding new websites, databases, subsidies for those who will receive health insurance “for free,” and lots and lots of new federal “administrators.”
    <snip>

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    Obamacare
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Well, you seem to be challenged when the dots need to be connected.
    No, I was merely asking the person who started this thread to connect them. That allows me to address their actual point rather than assume what their point was.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Here is a link that connects them for you:
    From one of the links in that link:

    Dr. Saffir says the State Medical Society is in contact with UnitedHealthcare. They are also asking doctors to call United to find out why they were terminated without cause as notified in the letter.
    In other words, the doctors don't know why they were fired, and the article you linked to didn't provide any evidence to back up its assertion as to why this happened.

    As such, while I'm sure you feel your link answers my question, it in fact does not.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, I was merely asking the person who started this thread to connect them. That allows me to address their actual point rather than assume what their point was.



    From one of the links in that link:



    In other words, the doctors don't know why they were fired, and the article you linked to didn't provide any evidence to back up its assertion as to why this happened.

    As such, while I'm sure you feel your link answers my question, it in fact does not.



    Pulling 419 billion dollars of revenue out of any system is bound to be reflected in a reduction of the costs that those revenues support.

    It is possible that the terminations were merely coincidental and would have happened in any event. It sounded from the article as if the Minnesota based firm was making reductions exclusive to Pennsylvania.

    It could be something in the State of Pennsylvania that is driving this.

    The fact that this is occurring while 9000 other health care workers, including other doctors, are falling victim to cuts driven by the ACA funding changes seems to be more than just a coincidence. Perhaps the ACA in Pennsylvania exchanges arranged a contract with a different physicians group and UHC has projected there will not be sufficient work to keep their network intact in that state.

    Is there anyone from Pennsylvania reading this?
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    The question is, for people who aren't all me me me, is if not, what are those that my tax and/or insurance dollars help take of going to do? No bleeding heart here, just seriously. Are they supposed to die in the streets? Are we supposed to continue as tax payers to be drained at ER rates instead of insurance rates? I'm sorry but any mathematical competent libertarian would see that ACA is not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot more fiscally responsible and will cost less tax dollars than what we have had. But it seems that libertarians and republicans don't believe in responsibility of the government to the people who pay taxes, but instead believe in the responsibility of the government to the employers of We, the People. I guess it's a reflection of how much all libertarians and republicans love their bosses.... yeah, right.
    my point wasn't to argue about Obamacare or your ignorance of libertarians... it was to simply point out your very strange healthcare priorities and your small minded "greed" argument.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Pulling 419 billion dollars of revenue out of any system is bound to be reflected in a reduction of the costs that those revenues support.

    It is possible that the terminations were merely coincidental and would have happened in any event. It sounded from the article as if the Minnesota based firm was making reductions exclusive to Pennsylvania.

    It could be something in the State of Pennsylvania that is driving this.

    The fact that this is occurring while 9000 other health care workers, including other doctors, are falling victim to cuts driven by the ACA funding changes seems to be more than just a coincidence. Perhaps the ACA in Pennsylvania exchanges arranged a contract with a different physicians group and UHC has projected there will not be sufficient work to keep their network intact in that state.

    Is there anyone from Pennsylvania reading this?
    So correct me if I'm wrong, but you're admitting here that you are creating a theory that has no link to any real data regarding these particular firings? Which would mean to say you are creating a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are great and vague conincidents always seem to support the POTENTIAL for the theory, but until you have some viable linkage, it's just a conspiracy theory.
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