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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Are we supposed to continue as tax payers to be drained at ER rates instead of insurance rates? I'm sorry but any mathematical competent libertarian would see that ACA is not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot more fiscally responsible and will cost less tax dollars than what we have had.
    Under Obamadon'tcare taxpayers get drained for funding it and will continue to get drained for people with no insurance making their visits to the ER. Lose, lose for the taxpayer.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It hasn't gotten through yet that this is not the ACA nor have you shown any connection to this being caused by the ACA.

    No correlation, no causation.
    If you see no correlation and no causation, you are wearing blinders. The ACA has diverted 415 billion dollars from medicare to the ACA and, in the process, has decreased paymnts to the doctors and the healthcare providers.

    Decreasing payments decreases income. Is that to obvious a statement to make?

    Here in Indianapolis, the largest medical provider is laying off a whole bunch of folks, too.

    For those of you playing along at home, that's another 9000 jobs nationwide so far down the drain courtesy of the most anti-job administration in history.

    Medicare’s ‘Piggy Bank’

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    The biggest savings from the Affordable Care Act come from reductions in the future growth of payments to hospitals — about $415 billion over 10 years. That’s Medicare Part A. Income for Part A comes mainly from payroll taxes. If Medicare doesn’t need to spend that income immediately, it’s credited to Part A’s trust fund, and Medicare gets a Treasury bond that it can cash in later. Anytime Medicare needs to cash in that bond, Treasury must pay it. Even if Treasury spent the original money on something else, it must pay the bond.
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    St. Vincent Health eliminating about 865 jobs | 2013-06-28 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com
    Worried about the future, IU Health cuts 800 jobs, even as income soars | 2013-09-12 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com


    Hospital Layoffs Rise In ObamaCare Era - Yahoo Finance
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    That busy health care industry to-do list ahead of ObamaCare includes an increasing number of hospital job cuts. Since the start of May, hospital groups have announced plans to lay off nearly 6,000 workers. Add in several thousand additional positions seeing fewer hours or cuts through attrition and buyouts, and the work reductions impact more than 9,000 jobs.
    An IBD review found layoff and workforce reduction announcements covering 75 hospital groups in 33 states and the District of Columbia.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Can you tell me exactly how this is linked with Obamacare?
    Hospital Layoffs Rise In ObamaCare Era - Yahoo Finance
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    What amazes me most besides the obvious ignorances mentioned above, it that not one conservative is mad at the insurance company that has made a choice to do this. Somehow it's implied that the government forced this choice on them. Because, of course, choosing to make more money just seems be a better choice for conservatives than healthy parents and grandparents. The Me, me, Mine! generation is at the helm.

    I'll tell you what, conservatives, I'll change my mind if you'll provide for free, safe abortions, and free, humane euthanasia for any adult that wants it. At least this way, I'll know that in a small way, many will have relatively quick painless deaths compared to what they'll face under the health/insurance regime we've lived under to date which the conservatives want to both return to and ease regulations and/or penalties associated with the same.


    What does "free" mean in your world?
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Right here from the article: "A mix of primary care and specialty doctors are affected by it. And it comes at a questionable time. Open enrollment for Medicare starts next Tuesday,"


    When expenses go up a business has to increase revenue or cut costs. Obamadon'tcare has caused expenses to go up, a lot. Figure it out.



    Most directly, the ACA has mandated reduced payments for services.

    This is just a tad different than Nixon's wage and price controls that didn't work then and won't work now.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Any decisions by UHC are driven by maximizing profitability and have nothing to do with health care quality.

    If they can throw up a BS smokescreen blaming ACA (or anything else), they will in order to have something to hide behind.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    "In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors.

    Termination letters went to physicians caring for Medicare patients. Those letters were sent out to doctors caring for 'Medicare Advantage' patients. It's a plan, marketed to Seniors to provide additional services through UnitedHealthCare.

    A mix of primary care and specialty doctors are affected by it. And it comes at a questionable time.

    Open enrollment for Medicare starts next Tuesday, and it's still not clear at this time as to which doctors are still in the United network.

    The Connecticut State Medical Society is fighting back. The biggest concern is patient access to healthcare."
    Analysis: Budget talk ideas delay, don't resolve | Connecticut | onPolitix


    Thousands of people are getting an early welcome to the age of no healthcare but health insurance for everyone. This isn't the first example and it will not be anywhere near the last. Obamadon'tcare is a bad idea and bad ideas do not get better with time.

    For your sake, I hope you never get sick or hurt because Obama and the Dems have set up a plan that destroys healthcare. Not to mention the budget and jobs and....
    It is much too early to see how the thing will play out. But it seems quite certain that there will be groups that will hurt, at least in the short and middle term.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    You do know that Medicare enrollment mentioned is an annual thing, right? Has been for many years, as people need to sometimes change plans and others become of age to get onto the plan? Nothing to do with ACA, timing is simply similar because it's nearing year end.


    The timing of the open enrollment and the impact of the ACA on the individual plans including those offered through Medicare is a coincidence.

    The fact that they both are going to affect the same people is not lessened by this coincidence.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Technically Medicare is not part of the ACA. But the 200 billion that the ACA cut from the Medicare advantage plans is. One of the many points that has been made over and over is in doing such, people on Medicare will have fewer choices on where to get healthcare. In this case, that is what United healthcare is doing. And it is what others have already done and many more will do, limit choices which rations care which allows them to stay in business for a little while longer. Correlation equals causation here.

    But back to the issue of Medicare. The IPAB will set the fees for Medicare. The IPAB will operate under the authority of the ACA. They are going to cut the payment to Medicare providers. This will cut the number of providers for people on Medicare. This will ration care for those on medicare. Correlation will equal causation here as well, it's just a matter of time.

    If either of those actions don't get the costs down to what the government or the Secof health and Human services want, then the Sec of health and human services will be allowed to set the fees as he or she sees fit. All under the authority of the ACA. See here's more correlation that will equal causation, it's just waiting on it's time.



    It's actually 419 billion, but I take your point.

    Medicare’s ‘Piggy Bank’
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    The question is, for people who aren't all me me me, is if not, what are those that my tax and/or insurance dollars help take of going to do? No bleeding heart here, just seriously. Are they supposed to die in the streets? Are we supposed to continue as tax payers to be drained at ER rates instead of insurance rates? I'm sorry but any mathematical competent libertarian would see that ACA is not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot more fiscally responsible and will cost less tax dollars than what we have had. But it seems that libertarians and republicans don't believe in responsibility of the government to the people who pay taxes, but instead believe in the responsibility of the government to the employers of We, the People. I guess it's a reflection of how much all libertarians and republicans love their bosses.... yeah, right.


    You're dreaming.

    The now famous debacle of the web site for the ACA was budgeted at a cost of 96 million. It is currently, well, last week, at 632 million, rising with a bullet and it doesn't work.

    The original price tag for this whole abortion was set at under 1 trillion. It has now risen to 2.3 trillion and is still rising with a bullet.

    The cost of care has increased, the cost of insurance has increased, the cost of government subsidy has increased and you don't see that anything has increased?

    What is it that you do see and is there anything I can sell you?
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