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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It hasn't gotten through yet that this is not the ACA nor have you shown any connection to this being caused by the ACA.

    No correlation, no causation.
    Right here from the article: "A mix of primary care and specialty doctors are affected by it. And it comes at a questionable time. Open enrollment for Medicare starts next Tuesday,"


    When expenses go up a business has to increase revenue or cut costs. Obamadon'tcare has caused expenses to go up, a lot. Figure it out.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Right here from the article: "A mix of primary care and specialty doctors are affected by it. And it comes at a questionable time. Open enrollment for Medicare starts next Tuesday,"


    When expenses go up a business has to increase revenue or cut costs. Obamadon'tcare has caused expenses to go up, a lot. Figure it out.
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    It hasn't gotten through yet that this is not the ACA nor have you shown any connection to this being caused by the ACA.

    No correlation, no causation.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Right here from the article: "A mix of primary care and specialty doctors are affected by it. And it comes at a questionable time. Open enrollment for Medicare starts next Tuesday,"


    When expenses go up a business has to increase revenue or cut costs. Obamadon'tcare has caused expenses to go up, a lot. Figure it out.
    You do know that Medicare enrollment mentioned is an annual thing, right? Has been for many years, as people need to sometimes change plans and others become of age to get onto the plan? Nothing to do with ACA, timing is simply similar because it's nearing year end.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Last I recall Obama is not at fault for anything, it's always someone else fault.
    Right. Because you have not established any link between this event and Obamacare, and someone pointed that out, that means other people say Obama is not at fault for anything ever.

    This is a reasonable thing you're saying. Logical.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It hasn't gotten through yet that this is not the ACA nor have you shown any connection to this being caused by the ACA.

    No correlation, no causation.
    Technically Medicare is not part of the ACA. But the 200 billion that the ACA cut from the Medicare advantage plans is. One of the many points that has been made over and over is in doing such, people on Medicare will have fewer choices on where to get healthcare. In this case, that is what United healthcare is doing. And it is what others have already done and many more will do, limit choices which rations care which allows them to stay in business for a little while longer. Correlation equals causation here.

    But back to the issue of Medicare. The IPAB will set the fees for Medicare. The IPAB will operate under the authority of the ACA. They are going to cut the payment to Medicare providers. This will cut the number of providers for people on Medicare. This will ration care for those on medicare. Correlation will equal causation here as well, it's just a matter of time.

    If either of those actions don't get the costs down to what the government or the Secof health and Human services want, then the Sec of health and human services will be allowed to set the fees as he or she sees fit. All under the authority of the ACA. See here's more correlation that will equal causation, it's just waiting on it's time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    You do know that Medicare enrollment mentioned is an annual thing, right? Has been for many years, as people need to sometimes change plans and others become of age to get onto the plan? Nothing to do with ACA, timing is simply similar because it's nearing year end.
    Yes, I know that. But it has plenty to do with the ACA because people that sign up for Medicare will want one of the supplemental plans that go with it. Which is covered under the ACA.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    What amazes me most besides the obvious ignorances mentioned above, it that not one conservative is mad at the insurance company that has made a choice to do this. Somehow it's implied that the government forced this choice on them. Because, of course, choosing to make more money just seems be a better choice for conservatives than healthy parents and grandparents. The Me, me, Mine! generation is at the helm.

    I'll tell you what, conservatives, I'll change my mind if you'll provide for free, safe abortions, and free, humane euthanasia for any adult that wants it. At least this way, I'll know that in a small way, many will have relatively quick painless deaths compared to what they'll face under the health/insurance regime we've lived under to date which the conservatives want to both return to and ease regulations and/or penalties associated with the same.
    it's interesting that the only 2 facets of healthcare you bring up is abortion and euthanasia..... very very odd priorities you have there, to say the least.

    i'm really not sure I buy your excuse that regulations/laws don't cause companies to make decisions like this.... in fact, I know I don't buy it... it's balderdash.

    while you are trying to blame greed and "me me me" for all this, I think you need to take fiduciary duty into consideration...it doesn't make for a sexy political statement, but it does explain why many of these decisions are made....
    as an aside ,fiduciary duties are the strictest duties of care recognized and enforced by our legal system.... it's not wise to ignore it.

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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Yes, I know that. But it has plenty to do with the ACA because people that sign up for Medicare will want one of the supplemental plans that go with it. Which is covered under the ACA.
    The Medicare Supplemental plans have been around a long time, not anything new. That's exactly what this OP is discussing, not Medicare but the Medicare Supplementals. The farce is strong within in you. Bless your heart.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's interesting that the only 2 facets of healthcare you bring up is abortion and euthanasia..... very very odd priorities you have there, to say the least. i'm really not sure I buy your excuse that regulations/laws don't cause companies to make decisions like this.... in fact, I know I don't buy it... it's balderdash. while you are trying to blame greed and "me me me" for all this, I think you need to take fiduciary duty into consideration...it doesn't make for a sexy political statement, but it does explain why many of these decisions are made.... as an aside ,fiduciary duties are the strictest duties of care recognized and enforced by our legal system.... it's not wise to ignore it.
    The question is, for people who aren't all me me me, is if not, what are those that my tax and/or insurance dollars help take of going to do? No bleeding heart here, just seriously. Are they supposed to die in the streets? Are we supposed to continue as tax payers to be drained at ER rates instead of insurance rates? I'm sorry but any mathematical competent libertarian would see that ACA is not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot more fiscally responsible and will cost less tax dollars than what we have had. But it seems that libertarians and republicans don't believe in responsibility of the government to the people who pay taxes, but instead believe in the responsibility of the government to the employers of We, the People. I guess it's a reflection of how much all libertarians and republicans love their bosses.... yeah, right.
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    Re: Thousands of Doctors Fired by United HealthCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    The Medicare Supplemental plans have been around a long time, not anything new. That's exactly what this OP is discussing, not Medicare but the Medicare Supplementals. The farce is strong within in you. Bless your heart.
    No kidding? That must be why I typed this out: "Yes, I know that. But it has plenty to do with the ACA because people that sign up for Medicare will want one of the supplemental plans that go with it. Which is covered under the ACA."

    And this: "Technically Medicare is not part of the ACA. But the 200 billion that the ACA cut from the Medicare advantage plans is. One of the many points that has been made over and over is in doing such, people on Medicare will have fewer choices on where to get healthcare. In this case, that is what United healthcare is doing. "

    The strong "farce" you have must be due to your inability to read.
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