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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by herrwolf View Post
    No. Those poor children are going to be bullied in school.
    I don't know about Russia, but here in the US, research has shown that this does not happen. So, you are wrong.
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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Gays are not suitable substitutes for parents
    Poor Bronson. Never tires of being wrong, never tires of presenting idiotic opinions without substantiation, never tires of ignoring facts. It has already been proven that gays raise children just as well as straights. All major scientific organizations acknowledge this fact. So, what we have learned from you is that you are anti-science.

    Russia is taking the right step culturally. They are playing the long game and will purge Marxist deviancy from it's culture slowly over time.
    Russia is doing what Russia has always done. Persecuting a group of people. I am glad to see that you support Russian persecution.
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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Just so you know I am with Bronson on this point, that a mother and father in a loving family is superior to a gay family all things being equal. I would also say that if it were true that all children were adopted and there was competition to adopt children the I would discriminate actively against a gay couple adopting.
    Actually, you are wrong about this as many have said and evidence shows.


    The only reason I am for it is like I said before, ANY loving family is better than none.
    I would agree that any loving family is better than none.
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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Innocent children deserve both a male and female parental figure in their lives. They shouldn't be forced to endure patchwork, Frankenstein, perverted, dirty and deviant households like Gay "Families".

    Gay Math 1 + 1 = 0
    I agree completely. Single parents should have their children forcibly removed and placed into state care and divorce should be illegal for couples with children. Plus, the sexual activity of parents should be monitored to ensure they don't engage in anal or oral sex.

    As a libertarian, I'm sure you support granting the government the power to enforce this.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    So to protect the family unit which Marxism is trying to destroy, we must break up family units, that bear no threat to any individual or society-at-large, forcibly, by the tool of big government.

    I'm really glad this isn't representative of libertarian thinking in general, sadly though it is of Russian government.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I just say go with the plan of refusing visas of all Russian politicians and diplomats for now.
    What about the other 82+ countries that have anti gay laws? Hardly fair to just pick out one.


    Africa

    1 Algeria
    2 Angola
    3 Benin
    4 Botswana
    5 Burundi
    6 Cameroon
    7 Comoros
    8 Egypt
    9 Eritrea
    10 Ethiopia
    11 Gambia
    12 Ghana
    13 Guinea
    14 Kenya
    15 Lesotho
    16 Liberia
    17 Libya
    18 Malawi (enforcement of law suspended)
    19 Mauritania
    20 Mauritius
    21 Morocco
    22 Mozambique
    23 Namibia
    24 Nigeria
    25 Sao Tome
    26 Senegal
    27 Seychelles
    28 Sierra Leone
    29 Somalia
    30 South Sudan
    31 Sudan
    32 Swaziland
    33 Tanzania
    34 Togo
    35 Tunisia
    36 Uganda
    37 Zambia
    38 Zimbabwe

    Asia, including the Middle East

    39 Afghanistan
    40 Bangladesh
    41 Bhutan
    42 Brunei
    43 Iran
    44 Kuwait
    45 Lebanon
    46 Malaysia
    47 Maldives
    48 Myanmar
    49 Oman
    50 Pakistan
    51 Palestine/Gaza Strip
    52 Qatar
    53 Saudi Arabia
    54 Singapore
    55 Sri Lanka
    56 Syria
    57 Turkmenistan
    58 United Arab Emirates
    59 Uzbekistan
    60 Yemen

    Two Asian/Middle Eastern countries are listed separately by the ILGA under the heading “Legal status of homosexual acts unclear or uncertain”:
    •In Iraq, there is no law against homosexual acts, but homophobic violence is unchecked and self-appointed sharia judges reportedly have imposed sentences for homosexual behavior.
    •In India, enforcement of the law against homosexual activity has been suspended by court action.

    Americas

    61 Antigua & Barbuda
    62 Barbados
    63 Belize
    64 Dominica
    65 Grenada
    66 Guyana
    67 Jamaica
    68 St Kitts & Nevis
    69 St Lucia
    70 St Vincent & the Grenadines
    71 Trinidad & Tobago

    In the United States, anti-sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2003, but they are still on the books in 13 states: Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Virginia.

    Oceania

    72 Cook Islands
    73 Indonesia (Aceh Province and South Sumatra)
    74 Kirbati
    75 Nauru
    76 Palau
    77 Papua New Guinea
    78 Samoa
    79 Solomon Islands
    80 Tonga
    81 Tuvalu

    Europe

    82 Northern Cyprus



    Here's a link that will provide the punishment for homosexuality in 76 of these countries.

    76 Countries Where Anti-Gay Laws Are As Bad As Or Worse Than Russia's
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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    the proposed amendment to law 69, by Zuravlev.

    Zhuravlev was originally the leader of the "left-patriotic" (read: fascist) party "Rodina" ("Homeland") who had joined the Putin's ruling party for the lack of better options. Unless things have changed tremendously since I've tried to figure out what's going on over there last time, he is a completely powerless backbencher with a transparent scapegoat function, and the whole spectacle is probably staged by the Kremlin: "See? - this dude is really anti-gay. We are not. Children will stay where they are. Have you bought your tickets to the Olympic Games in Sochi yet, by the way?"

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oh look more speculation.

    I said nothing about a family or families.
    Stop trying to put words into a persons mouth.

    My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Period.
    Reminds me of one episode from - by coincidence - Russian experience, 1968, when a prominent (officially recognized, but ever-so-slightly dissident) poet responded to the news that a small group of protesters had demonstrated against the invasion of Czechoslovakia and the Bosses ordered special forces to beat and arrest them. He said, publicly: "Lowlife bastards!".

    Historians still disagree on which side he was talking about.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    preserve their cultural norms?
    What cultural norms that would be?

    The "norms" of the Bolsheviks, who would murder the parents and then lock their offspring into the orphanages, to produce perfect brainwashed zombies? (Remember the puppies in Animal Farm?) Sure (and there's still some room for "improvement").

    After the slavery ("serfdom") was abolished by Alexander II and untill the Communist takeover, give me one single documented example of children being forcibly separated from parents who were not convicted of any crime that would lead to imprisonment by the Russian state. One.

    (And even before the emancipation of 1861, the rare cases of family members sold separately were invariably met with fierce public opprobrium, at least in the proximity to cultural centers).

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    A lot of the Hegelian/Marxist deviancy being passed off as "equality" is slowly being cleansed from the Russian culture which is a good thing.
    In case you didn't (really) know, being gay was a felony under the Communist rule. Ten years in Gulag (life expectancy under Stalin: 3.5 years)

    The "Marxist deviancy" was never about equality - from the beginning, it was about the right of the State to ram leaden uniformity down the throat of the Society.

    Equality, uniformity. Not the same thing.

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