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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you're saying a child remaining in a government system is better than a gay couple adopting?
    I'm saying parents who produce offspring should take personal responsibility for their actions

    Children deserve what's best for them

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I'm saying parents who produce offspring should take personal responsibility for their actions

    Children deserve what's best for them
    That's not going to happen though, parents are going to give their child up for adoption and many will be in the system.

    So I ask again to you, is a child remaining in a government system more preferable to you than a gay couple willing to adopt? Can you not answer the question?

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Russia is a good example of what can happen when theocracy meets tyranny in any democratic nation.

    It's one thing for homosexuality to still be outlawed (like in the Middle East), but to have it legalized and then outlawed again means a whole lot of people who came out of the closet are now vulnerable, including whole families.

    The situation in Russia for gay people is really bad right now. Those who can afford to send their children overseas are doing so, but those who can't are really in danger. Even if the government votes against this latest discrimination, the mobs are still in full swing right now. There are hundreds of reports on the internet of mobs attacking and gravely injuring known gays all over the country. Police are taking part, and raiding people's homes without due process. It has become a witch hunt.

    This could happen anywhere if freedom and democracy come under threat. Take note.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's not going to happen though, parents are going to give their child up for adoption and many will be in the system.
    I think if you read the language of that law, the Russian Government is taking steps to get there culturally. Like Gramsci, the same plan can be reversed, culturally over time. A lot of the Hegelian/Marxist deviancy being passed off as "equality" is slowly being cleansed from the Russian culture which is a good thing.

    So I ask again to you, is a child remaining in a government system more preferable to you than a gay couple willing to adopt? Can you not answer the question?
    I don't think Gays qualify as parents so your question is irrelevant. The root of the problem culturally is what is being addressed here which is an important first step

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I'm saying parents who produce offspring should take personal responsibility for their actions

    Children deserve what's best for them
    and children don't deserve having their lives turned upside down when they are taken from the only people who they knew as parents.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    If someone is interested, here is the proposed amendment to law 69, by Zuravlev.

    Translated with Google translate, sorry ain't got time to translate it myself.



    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    to the draft federal law
    "On Amending Article 69 of the Family Code
    The Russian Federation "


    In accordance with Paragraph 1 of Article 63 of the Family Code
    Federation ( hereinafter - the Code ), parents are responsible for the upbringing and
    development of their children.
    They are obliged to take care of the health, physical,mental, spiritual and moral development of their children.
    Furthermore, Paragraph 1 of Article 65 of the Code establishes general rules for the implementation
    parental rights, which can not be in contradiction with the
    children's interests.
    In the exercise of parental rights, parents are not may harm the physical and mental health of children, their moral development. The methods of raising children should exclude neglectful , cruel or degrading treatment, abuse or exploitation of children . In a literal sense, Code requires parents of minor children do
    possible to form a complete person, as in the physical and in the spiritual sense. Life lessons , and sometimes by example
    educate the child traditional family values ​​, loyalty to the Fatherland , respect for the older generation, and many other common human
    values.
    The family, as the fundamental group unit of society, is the first and the most important development institution and education of the child.
    Unfortunately, experience shows that often the parents are not in full volume fulfill the responsibilities of raising children , depriving them of
    moral compass , and sometimes material support. In most cases, the reason for this is alcoholism, drug addiction, promiscuity and immoral lifestyle.
    In such environment the child can not fully develop, obtain necessary support and counsel from parents. As a result, it is 1 is the reason for the low level of development, the degradation of the child's personality and behavior deviativnogo. Timely assistance to such a child from the
    States can correct his education by transferring to foster care, the care of relatives or the relevant institution. Implement this assistance is only possible after the deprivation parental rights, allowing the child to fence off immoral way the lives of his parents or one of them.

    Thus, in accordance with Article 69 of the Code of parents may be deprived parental rights in cases where they are:
    shirk responsibilities of parents, including the willful refusal to pay child support;
    refuse without good reason to take their child out of Maternity Hospital ( department ) or from other medical institutions
    educational institutions, social protection of the population, or of similar organizations ;
    abuse their parental rights ;
    mistreated children, including physical exercise or mental violence against them , infringe their sexual integrity;
    are suffering from chronic alcoholism or drug addiction;
    committed an intentional crime against the life or health of the children or against the life or health of the spouse.

    Of the above list shows that the main reasons for the deprivation parental rights lie in the plane of antisocial lifestyle drastically differing from the traditional values ​​of the Russian State. They are all negatively affect the psyche of the child and not can serve as a model for education.
    The other most important institution is the education of children society, which forms the identity of the child in later life , protecting it from unwanted exposure and negative information. Thus, for example, the Federal Law of 29.0613 № 115- FZ " On Amending the Article 5 of the Federal Law " On Protection of children from information harmful to their health and development, " and some legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in order to protect children from information advocating rejection of traditional family values, " (hereinafter -Act ) protects children from the propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations, information on which is extremely dangerous for the fragile psyche child and is able in the future to break his sexual self-determination.
    Following the letter of the law, such propaganda is banned not only in the media media, but also in the family. On the basis of the explanatory note Law " propaganda of non-traditional family relationships dangerous for children and young people, is not capable of a critical attitude to the avalanche information that falls on them, every day." Also justification of the Act states that :
    "The family , motherhood and childhood in their
    Traditionally, the ancestors of the perceived understanding are those
    values ​​that provide a continuous alternation of generations, act for the preservation and development of the multinational people of the Russian Federation , and therefore require special protection from the state.

    The legitimate interests of minors are important social value, with a goal of public policy for children is to protect them from the factors that negatively affect their physical, intellectual, mental, spiritual and moral development. Paragraph 1 of Article 14 of the Federal Law of 24.07.1998 № 124- FZ" On basic guarantees of children's rights in the Russian Federation" right provides that the authorities of the Russian Federation to take measures to protect the child from information , advocacy and agitation, harmful to their health, moral and spiritual development.
    " This administrative liability imposed by law, provides not for the fact of homosexual rights, and only for the promotion of non-traditional sexual relationships among Minors.

    On this basis, it appears that in the case of one of the assumptions parents of a child sexual contact with persons of the same sex, harm ,which may be caused psyche own child is huge and not can be measured by the Code of Administrative Violations, as a mother or father is a role model for example their child.

    In confirmation of this is provided by the
    Research Doctor of Sociology , University of Texas at Austin (USA ) Mark Regnerus that from 2010 to 2012 analyzed psychological characteristics of young people whose parents had same-sex relationships . The research, which was attended by about 3000 thousand people . showed that only 60-70 % of the respondents identified themselves as completely heterosexual, with more than 90 % of people who raised in traditional families, referred to as a fully heterosexual.

    Among other results of the study include:
    1. Elevated levels of sexually transmitted diseases among the studied
    persons ( about 25 % of the respondents , those from traditional families - 8 %);
    2 . Risk of suicide (about 25 % , those of the traditional family - 5%) ;
    3 . Socio-economic helplessness (28 % - the unemployed ,
    is that in traditional families - 8 %);
    4 . Disorder of sexual self-orientation (see above);
    5 . The inability to store family loyalty (40% of the respondents individuals , 13% - the traditional family).

    The results of these studies have been thoroughly tested independent experts and do not cause somneniy.Analiziruya research scientist, should provide statistical
    data characterizing parameters of the test questions. Since the estimated Russian experts in the number of people with different sexual orientation
    about 5-7 % (for large cities the percentage is slightly higher ) are as at least a third are children. Based on this fact and the above arguments , the present
    the bill proposes to add to article 69 of the Family Code of the Russian Federation with a new paragraph , in accordance with which grounds for termination of parental rights would be the fact of gay parents or one of them.


    Link to the law amendment - in Russian (pdf)

    Fallen.
    That's actually how the amendment is written? It reads more like a rambling partisan op ed than a law. I mean, it references studies, that isn't normal.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    We say plenty about that, and it's extremely despicable behavior that should be abolished.

    I think you are confusing people not wanting other people to jump to conclusions about Muslims in western countries and prejudge them for something that happens in another nation.
    Progressives don't say anything, as a matter of fact progressives oppose every attempt made to stop Sharia's barbaric "laws" - which takes wars to do...

    Yeah, progressives are always out there with their anti-war bull**** protests every time we're at war when a republican is president.

    The only time when you guys "look the other way" is when progressive administrations blow them some Muslims up - and usually progressives always are fighting for the wrong Muslims - see Obama and his lovefest for the Muslim Brotherhood...

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Progressives don't say anything, as a matter of fact progressives oppose every attempt made to stop Sharia's barbaric "laws" - which takes wars to do...

    Yeah, progressives are always out there with their anti-war bull**** protests every time we're at war when a republican is president.

    The only time when you guys "look the other way" is when progressive administrations blow them some Muslims up - and usually progressives always are fighting for the wrong Muslims - see Obama and his lovefest for the Muslim Brotherhood...
    Oh right, you're one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks Sharia Law is creeping into the United States.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh right, you're one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks Sharia Law is creeping into the United States.
    I don't believe that at all - what I do believe is that Sharia Law is evil and is certainly being practiced or better yet employed by Muslims living in the United Sates in their own communities.... Honor killings have certainly occurred many times in the US - Obviously the individual doing the honor killing was arrested and charged with murder...

    No, I don't believe or think Sharia Law is creeping into the United Sates - Nor do I even find it as a concern..... No I'm more worried about the authoritarian tactics of socialism and socialists in government...

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I don't believe that at all - what I do believe is that Sharia Law is evil and is certainly being practiced or better yet employed by Muslims living in the United Sates in their own communities.... Honor killings have certainly occurred many times in the US - Obviously the individual doing the honor killing was arrested and charged with murder...

    No, I don't believe or think Sharia Law is creeping into the United Sates - Nor do I even find it as a concern..... No I'm more worried about the authoritarian tactics of socialism and socialists in government...
    So liberals are resisting efforts to stop something that isn't happening?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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