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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oh look. Another one speculating.
    It's the fact tone does not exist on the Internet.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    If someone is interested, here is the proposed amendment to law 69, by Zuravlev.

    Translated with Google translate, sorry ain't got time to translate it myself.



    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    to the draft federal law
    "On Amending Article 69 of the Family Code
    The Russian Federation "


    In accordance with Paragraph 1 of Article 63 of the Family Code
    Federation ( hereinafter - the Code ), parents are responsible for the upbringing and
    development of their children.
    They are obliged to take care of the health, physical,mental, spiritual and moral development of their children.
    Furthermore, Paragraph 1 of Article 65 of the Code establishes general rules for the implementation
    parental rights, which can not be in contradiction with the
    children's interests.
    In the exercise of parental rights, parents are not may harm the physical and mental health of children, their moral development. The methods of raising children should exclude neglectful , cruel or degrading treatment, abuse or exploitation of children . In a literal sense, Code requires parents of minor children do
    possible to form a complete person, as in the physical and in the spiritual sense. Life lessons , and sometimes by example
    educate the child traditional family values ​​, loyalty to the Fatherland , respect for the older generation, and many other common human
    values.
    The family, as the fundamental group unit of society, is the first and the most important development institution and education of the child.
    Unfortunately, experience shows that often the parents are not in full volume fulfill the responsibilities of raising children , depriving them of
    moral compass , and sometimes material support. In most cases, the reason for this is alcoholism, drug addiction, promiscuity and immoral lifestyle.
    In such environment the child can not fully develop, obtain necessary support and counsel from parents. As a result, it is 1 is the reason for the low level of development, the degradation of the child's personality and behavior deviativnogo. Timely assistance to such a child from the
    States can correct his education by transferring to foster care, the care of relatives or the relevant institution. Implement this assistance is only possible after the deprivation parental rights, allowing the child to fence off immoral way the lives of his parents or one of them.

    Thus, in accordance with Article 69 of the Code of parents may be deprived parental rights in cases where they are:
    shirk responsibilities of parents, including the willful refusal to pay child support;
    refuse without good reason to take their child out of Maternity Hospital ( department ) or from other medical institutions
    educational institutions, social protection of the population, or of similar organizations ;
    abuse their parental rights ;
    mistreated children, including physical exercise or mental violence against them , infringe their sexual integrity;
    are suffering from chronic alcoholism or drug addiction;
    committed an intentional crime against the life or health of the children or against the life or health of the spouse.

    Of the above list shows that the main reasons for the deprivation parental rights lie in the plane of antisocial lifestyle drastically differing from the traditional values ​​of the Russian State. They are all negatively affect the psyche of the child and not can serve as a model for education.
    The other most important institution is the education of children society, which forms the identity of the child in later life , protecting it from unwanted exposure and negative information. Thus, for example, the Federal Law of 29.0613 № 115- FZ " On Amending the Article 5 of the Federal Law " On Protection of children from information harmful to their health and development, " and some legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in order to protect children from information advocating rejection of traditional family values, " (hereinafter -Act ) protects children from the propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations, information on which is extremely dangerous for the fragile psyche child and is able in the future to break his sexual self-determination.
    Following the letter of the law, such propaganda is banned not only in the media media, but also in the family. On the basis of the explanatory note Law " propaganda of non-traditional family relationships dangerous for children and young people, is not capable of a critical attitude to the avalanche information that falls on them, every day." Also justification of the Act states that :
    "The family , motherhood and childhood in their
    Traditionally, the ancestors of the perceived understanding are those
    values ​​that provide a continuous alternation of generations, act for the preservation and development of the multinational people of the Russian Federation , and therefore require special protection from the state.

    The legitimate interests of minors are important social value, with a goal of public policy for children is to protect them from the factors that negatively affect their physical, intellectual, mental, spiritual and moral development. Paragraph 1 of Article 14 of the Federal Law of 24.07.1998 № 124- FZ" On basic guarantees of children's rights in the Russian Federation" right provides that the authorities of the Russian Federation to take measures to protect the child from information , advocacy and agitation, harmful to their health, moral and spiritual development.
    " This administrative liability imposed by law, provides not for the fact of homosexual rights, and only for the promotion of non-traditional sexual relationships among Minors.

    On this basis, it appears that in the case of one of the assumptions parents of a child sexual contact with persons of the same sex, harm ,which may be caused psyche own child is huge and not can be measured by the Code of Administrative Violations, as a mother or father is a role model for example their child.

    In confirmation of this is provided by the
    Research Doctor of Sociology , University of Texas at Austin (USA ) Mark Regnerus that from 2010 to 2012 analyzed psychological characteristics of young people whose parents had same-sex relationships . The research, which was attended by about 3000 thousand people . showed that only 60-70 % of the respondents identified themselves as completely heterosexual, with more than 90 % of people who raised in traditional families, referred to as a fully heterosexual.

    Among other results of the study include:
    1. Elevated levels of sexually transmitted diseases among the studied
    persons ( about 25 % of the respondents , those from traditional families - 8 %);
    2 . Risk of suicide (about 25 % , those of the traditional family - 5%) ;
    3 . Socio-economic helplessness (28 % - the unemployed ,
    is that in traditional families - 8 %);
    4 . Disorder of sexual self-orientation (see above);
    5 . The inability to store family loyalty (40% of the respondents individuals , 13% - the traditional family).

    The results of these studies have been thoroughly tested independent experts and do not cause somneniy.Analiziruya research scientist, should provide statistical
    data characterizing parameters of the test questions. Since the estimated Russian experts in the number of people with different sexual orientation
    about 5-7 % (for large cities the percentage is slightly higher ) are as at least a third are children. Based on this fact and the above arguments , the present
    the bill proposes to add to article 69 of the Family Code of the Russian Federation with a new paragraph , in accordance with which grounds for termination of parental rights would be the fact of gay parents or one of them.


    Link to the law amendment - in Russian (pdf)

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oh look. Another one speculating.
    You voiced approval for the Russia policy which breaks apart families. If you think your motives are being unfairly questioned, why don't you explain your rationale behind your statement?

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    If someone is interested, here is the proposed amendment to law 69, by Zuravlev.

    Translated with Google translate, sorry ain't got time to translate it myself.



    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    to the draft federal law
    "On Amending Article 69 of the Family Code
    The Russian Federation "


    In accordance with Paragraph 1 of Article 63 of the Family Code
    Federation ( hereinafter - the Code ), parents are responsible for the upbringing and
    development of their children.
    They are obliged to take care of the health, physical,mental, spiritual and moral development of their children.
    Furthermore, Paragraph 1 of Article 65 of the Code establishes general rules for the implementation
    parental rights, which can not be in contradiction with the
    children's interests.
    In the exercise of parental rights, parents are not may harm the physical and mental health of children, their moral development. The methods of raising children should exclude neglectful , cruel or degrading treatment, abuse or exploitation of children . In a literal sense, Code requires parents of minor children do
    possible to form a complete person, as in the physical and in the spiritual sense. Life lessons , and sometimes by example
    educate the child traditional family values ​​, loyalty to the Fatherland , respect for the older generation, and many other common human
    values.
    The family, as the fundamental group unit of society, is the first and the most important development institution and education of the child.
    Unfortunately, experience shows that often the parents are not in full volume fulfill the responsibilities of raising children , depriving them of
    moral compass , and sometimes material support. In most cases, the reason for this is alcoholism, drug addiction, promiscuity and immoral lifestyle.
    In such environment the child can not fully develop, obtain necessary support and counsel from parents. As a result, it is 1 is the reason for the low level of development, the degradation of the child's personality and behavior deviativnogo. Timely assistance to such a child from the
    States can correct his education by transferring to foster care, the care of relatives or the relevant institution. Implement this assistance is only possible after the deprivation parental rights, allowing the child to fence off immoral way the lives of his parents or one of them.

    Thus, in accordance with Article 69 of the Code of parents may be deprived parental rights in cases where they are:
    shirk responsibilities of parents, including the willful refusal to pay child support;
    refuse without good reason to take their child out of Maternity Hospital ( department ) or from other medical institutions
    educational institutions, social protection of the population, or of similar organizations ;
    abuse their parental rights ;
    mistreated children, including physical exercise or mental violence against them , infringe their sexual integrity;
    are suffering from chronic alcoholism or drug addiction;
    committed an intentional crime against the life or health of the children or against the life or health of the spouse.

    Of the above list shows that the main reasons for the deprivation parental rights lie in the plane of antisocial lifestyle drastically differing from the traditional values ​​of the Russian State. They are all negatively affect the psyche of the child and not can serve as a model for education.
    The other most important institution is the education of children society, which forms the identity of the child in later life , protecting it from unwanted exposure and negative information. Thus, for example, the Federal Law of 29.0613 № 115- FZ " On Amending the Article 5 of the Federal Law " On Protection of children from information harmful to their health and development, " and some legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in order to protect children from information advocating rejection of traditional family values, " (hereinafter -Act ) protects children from the propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations, information on which is extremely dangerous for the fragile psyche child and is able in the future to break his sexual self-determination.
    Following the letter of the law, such propaganda is banned not only in the media media, but also in the family. On the basis of the explanatory note Law " propaganda of non-traditional family relationships dangerous for children and young people, is not capable of a critical attitude to the avalanche information that falls on them, every day." Also justification of the Act states that :
    "The family , motherhood and childhood in their
    Traditionally, the ancestors of the perceived understanding are those
    values ​​that provide a continuous alternation of generations, act for the preservation and development of the multinational people of the Russian Federation , and therefore require special protection from the state.

    The legitimate interests of minors are important social value, with a goal of public policy for children is to protect them from the factors that negatively affect their physical, intellectual, mental, spiritual and moral development. Paragraph 1 of Article 14 of the Federal Law of 24.07.1998 № 124- FZ" On basic guarantees of children's rights in the Russian Federation" right provides that the authorities of the Russian Federation to take measures to protect the child from information , advocacy and agitation, harmful to their health, moral and spiritual development.
    " This administrative liability imposed by law, provides not for the fact of homosexual rights, and only for the promotion of non-traditional sexual relationships among Minors.

    On this basis, it appears that in the case of one of the assumptions parents of a child sexual contact with persons of the same sex, harm ,which may be caused psyche own child is huge and not can be measured by the Code of Administrative Violations, as a mother or father is a role model for example their child.

    In confirmation of this is provided by the
    Research Doctor of Sociology , University of Texas at Austin (USA ) Mark Regnerus that from 2010 to 2012 analyzed psychological characteristics of young people whose parents had same-sex relationships . The research, which was attended by about 3000 thousand people . showed that only 60-70 % of the respondents identified themselves as completely heterosexual, with more than 90 % of people who raised in traditional families, referred to as a fully heterosexual.

    Among other results of the study include:
    1. Elevated levels of sexually transmitted diseases among the studied
    persons ( about 25 % of the respondents , those from traditional families - 8 %);
    2 . Risk of suicide (about 25 % , those of the traditional family - 5%) ;
    3 . Socio-economic helplessness (28 % - the unemployed ,
    is that in traditional families - 8 %);
    4 . Disorder of sexual self-orientation (see above);
    5 . The inability to store family loyalty (40% of the respondents individuals , 13% - the traditional family).

    The results of these studies have been thoroughly tested independent experts and do not cause somneniy.Analiziruya research scientist, should provide statistical
    data characterizing parameters of the test questions. Since the estimated Russian experts in the number of people with different sexual orientation
    about 5-7 % (for large cities the percentage is slightly higher ) are as at least a third are children. Based on this fact and the above arguments , the present
    the bill proposes to add to article 69 of the Family Code of the Russian Federation with a new paragraph , in accordance with which grounds for termination of parental rights would be the fact of gay parents or one of them.


    Link to the law amendment - in Russian (pdf)

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    And they used the Regnerus "study". That guy really needs to be fired. He knew damned well what he was doing when he published it and what it would be used to do, including things like this. And the study was extremely biased and flawed, but because others will use anything that comes close to "confirming" their hate/beliefs, they ignore the fact that it has been proven to be a bogus study.
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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You voiced approval for the Russia policy which breaks apart families. If you think your motives are being unfairly questioned, why don't you explain your rationale behind your statement?
    Oh look more speculation.

    I said nothing about a family or families.
    Stop trying to put words into a persons mouth.

    My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Period.
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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Russia had better buckle up for the international hell we'll raise if they do this.
    Yet progressives say nothing when Muslims oppress and murder gays...

    You do realize in most nations that rule under Sharia homosexuality is punishable by death?

    Funny how you progressives don't have an opinion when Muslims are hanging gays from cranes but you have a strong opinion here?

    HA....

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oh look more speculation.

    I said nothing about a family or families.
    Stop trying to put words into a persons mouth.

    My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Period.
    Rather than dodging requests for clarification, how about your tell people who this is good for and why?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yet progressives say nothing when Muslims oppress and murder gays...

    You do realize in most nations that rule under Sharia homosexuality is punishable by death?

    Funny how you progressives don't have an opinion when Muslims are hanging gays from cranes but you have a strong opinion here?

    HA....
    Um, progressives say plenty about that, thank you. But have fun making up more stuff. It's entertaining!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yet progressives say nothing when Muslims oppress and murder gays...

    You do realize in most nations that rule under Sharia homosexuality is punishable by death?

    Funny how you progressives don't have an opinion when Muslims are hanging gays from cranes but you have a strong opinion here?

    HA....
    We say plenty about that, and it's extremely despicable behavior that should be abolished.

    I think you are confusing people not wanting other people to jump to conclusions about Muslims in western countries and prejudge them for something that happens in another nation.
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    re: Russia To Debate Taking Children Away From Gay Parents[W:127]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Rather than dodging requests for clarification, how about your tell people who this is good for and why?
    Because it doesn't need clarification.
    My reply to the OP was, "Good for them". Nothing more needed.
    Nor do folk get to say it means what hasn't been said unless they wish to have what they say appear to look asinine for assuming.
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