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John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

My conclusion is that the tea party is, in fact, the real heart and soul of the GOP and the conservative movement. Its knownothingism, its xenophobia and scapegoating is the real inspiration for conservative politics, and always has been. But with the demographic extinction of conservatism as a political force drawing nigh, conservatism has gone fundamentalists. That's always the case when a movement is losing and history is leaving it behind. It's why Moslem and Christian fundamentalism is on the rise -- they're losing out to modernization. Same with conservatism. The fundamentalism of the tea party will prevail against the remaining sane Republicans, and hasten the de-evolution of the GOP into a marginal, regional party.

They won't die, but they'll be weak for a couple of cycles. There are young Republicans and they'll pull the party along until it's again capable of appealing to main stream voters. Then those young conservatives will grow old, and they'll refuse to change with whatever society is doing at that time, and they'll wither until the next generation pulls it into the main stream.

The problem with the party is taht they represent the wealthy, and pretty much by definition that's a minority demographic, so they have to find a way to sell ownership class economics to working class voters; hence the endless appeals to emotion: religion, xenophobia, nationalism, and whatever other kind of elitism they can market. They're just in a pinch (again) because society is making rapid changes and that's not something that conservatives are good at . . . also almost by definition.
 
PBS had a two show during his early campaign that followed him on the campaign trail. He didn't show a lot of depth in his decision making. Pretty sure he just went on having heard good things about her from press she'd gotten. He wanted someone young to counter Obama and being female was the kicker.

Most of the show was, listen to advisors, nap, kiss a crying baby, nap, read a speech, nap and top it all off with a really good nap. :mrgreen:

I like John McCain, the man, not all his policies. In fact he is the only candidate for president from the two major parties that I voted for over the last six presidential cycles. But his choice of Palin was plain stupid. I do not know what he was trying to do or accomplish. Alaska was never in danger of going to Obama, so it wasn't to put a swing state in his column. Palin was a staunch conservative, so it wasn't to appeal to independents. Perhaps to appease his base or the conservatives of his party is the only thing I can come up with. But the Republican base has always been smaller than the Democratic one. Besides she sure wasn't vetted properly. She probably lost McCain votes in the long run.
 
I read that the party told him to do it. Like, with no options.

You really believe that? I don't. McCain doesn't strike me as a man who would allow someone to dictate to him what he is gona do.
 
You really believe that? I don't. McCain doesn't strike me as a man who would allow someone to dictate to him what he is gona do.

Yeah, you don't make it out of the hanoi hilton by being a pushover
 
You really believe that? I don't. McCain doesn't strike me as a man who would allow someone to dictate to him what he is gona do.

Deal making is pretty much par for course in politics. In fact, that's more or less what politics is. They probably told him he couldn't get all the funding they had unless he played ball, or something. McCain also doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would pick a mildly retarded woman he knows nothing about to be the VP. One of those two happened, I find it more believable that his hand was being pressed by the party.
 
Deal making is pretty much par for course in politics. In fact, that's more or less what politics is. They probably told him he couldn't get all the funding they had unless he played ball, or something. McCain also doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would pick a mildly retarded woman he knows nothing about to be the VP. One of those two happened, I find it more believable that his hand was being pressed by the party.

deal making is different than being ordered to do something. Your previous post made it sound like the later. But beyond that, it makes no sense because she was pretty much a noname, and they had prospects that were better known and who would have served there agenda better. One of the big issues with Palin was that everything had to be about Palin
 
I like John McCain, the man, not all his policies. In fact he is the only candidate for president from the two major parties that I voted for over the last six presidential cycles. But his choice of Palin was plain stupid. I do not know what he was trying to do or accomplish. Alaska was never in danger of going to Obama, so it wasn't to put a swing state in his column. Palin was a staunch conservative, so it wasn't to appeal to independents. Perhaps to appease his base or the conservatives of his party is the only thing I can come up with. But the Republican base has always been smaller than the Democratic one. Besides she sure wasn't vetted properly. She probably lost McCain votes in the long run.

if I can find the clip of that now broadcast I'll post it, but Palin , as presented there, was a dream choice. And, again, going from memory, that is how they were introduced to her and basically what made them decide to go with her. Due to the process being so frustrating and taking so long.

Apparently the McCain campaign worked through their entire list of candidates at the time, and were rather resistant to the suggestions they were getting from the party organizers and leadership
 
if I can find the clip of that now broadcast I'll post it, but Palin , as presented there, was a dream choice. And, again, going from memory, that is how they were introduced to her and basically what made them decide to go with her. Due to the process being so frustrating and taking so long.

Apparently the McCain campaign worked through their entire list of candidates at the time, and were rather resistant to the suggestions they were getting from the party organizers and leadership

Could be, that seems like so long ago. I'll tell you this, when McCain introduced her although I was a McCain supporter, that left me scratching my head. I didn't understand it then and 5 years later, I still don't.
 
Speaking of Sen. McCain, he has Sen. Goldwater's great lashing humor..
Today, his quip was that GOP support was down to Blood relatives and paid staffers..
he had one on the Dems. also.
Could be, that seems like so long ago. I'll tell you this, when McCain introduced her although I was a McCain supporter, that left me scratching my head. I didn't understand it then and 5 years later, I still don't.
 
Speaking of Sen. McCain, he has Sen. Goldwater's great lashing humor..
Today, his quip was that GOP support was down to Blood relatives and paid staffers..
he had one on the Dems. also.

you gotta love him. At least for his quotes. Funny how that works, there are politician's you like whether you agree with them or not and there are those you detest regardless of their views, you might even agree with them most of the time. I call the the rub me the wrong way or the right way feel.
 
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