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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by reidster View Post
    Why can't we push a button and transform all tea party members to Libertarians?

    But seriously, the tea party was a decent idea that was then hijacked by neoconservatives and religious zealots.
    while I agree the tea party started out as different than it's modern incarnation, I wouldn't exactly call the shift moving towards neoconservatism. if anything, it seems a reaction that that and the neoconcervative dominance of the GOP leadership and organizational structure

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    while I agree the tea party started out as different than it's modern incarnation, I wouldn't exactly call the shift moving towards neoconservatism. if anything, it seems a reaction that that and the neoconcervative dominance of the GOP leadership and organizational structure
    Many neoconservatives actually treat the Tea Party as if they are themselves not part of it. Neoconservatism is still mostly connected to individuals that in no way, shape, or form, would represent the populist background of most Tea Partiers. Most of the time, you get two viewpoints toward it:

    1) Sympathetic toward some of their aims.

    2) Think of them as politically useful pawns.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Duh. He has to move to the Right to satisfy the rest of the party, much like a moderate Democrat would have to pivot to the Left to gain support of the base (and hope that liberals or left-wingers wouldn't be disproportionately willing to pull the plug for a primary challenger or a 3rd party candidate.[/COLOR]
    which seems to be the lesson he learned in 2000. And I still think a Romney or McCain presidency would have been drastically different than their respective campaigns

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I think he became very jaded after the 2000 primary. But beyond that, he's always been a pretty mixed bag on policy
    It was sad to see him cowtow to the right of his party on immigration reform and social security during his presidential run. Whatever the merits, he had been a pragmatist on these issues until he had to deal with the Palin contingent. You could tell he had a distaste for giving into the xenophobia and false choices, but he did.

    But then on other issues of principle he stuck to his guns.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I think it's a bit passé to talk about moderate Democrats pivoting left to win elections. If any thing, the Democratic party is a center right party, with progressive elements. Obama pivoted right to get both the nomination and the election (and he didn't really have to pivot much, since he's basically a centrists).

    I actually recall him attacking Hillary as a DNC establishment centrist and warring with Edwards over the mantle of the mainstream progressive candidate. In fact, the act of going to speak at AIPEC only after the primary was secured kind of highlights this.

    Though, obviously we are speaking in the context of american politics, where the DNC hardly resembles liberal parties in places like Europe or even canada

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I actually recall him attacking Hillary as a DNC establishment centrist and warring with Edwards over the mantle of the mainstream progressive candidate. In fact, the act of going to speak at AIPEC only after the primary was secured kind of highlights this.

    Though, obviously we are speaking in the context of american politics, where the DNC hardly resembles liberal parties in places like Europe or even canada
    And vice versa. If the Democratic Party resembled the Tories it would be more liberal than it is now. Mainstream conservative parties in Europe accept universal health care, robust regulation, relatively high taxes on the rich and an extensive social safety net. These are not disputed in Europe; it is simply a matter of changes around the margins. If David Cameron ran in a US election, he would be called a Marxist by the tea party.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    It wasn't a personal attack, nor did I claim you used the term incorrectly. I was simply pointing out the humor in a person whose ideology is based upon the right of one man to live as a parasite sucking the blood of his neighbor, now turning to ridicule that same parasite ideology.
    "Ideology"? I have no idea what you are talking about regarding any "ideology" I have. Perhaps you could quote some of my posts where I pontificate about my "ideology"?
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I agree with the first couple sentences. The last part is some major bias speaking. I don't think they ever meant to form a separate party. Like OWS was for the dems, they are a movement (here come the bowel jokes ).
    having been in and working with the Democratic Party for the last several years when OWS came and went - I know of no involvement of that group in Democratic politics or in the election process within the party as the tea party has done with the Republicans.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    It was sad to see him cowtow to the right of his party on immigration reform and social security during his presidential run. Whatever the merits, he had been a pragmatist on these issues until he had to deal with the Palin contingent. You could tell he had a distaste for giving into the xenophobia and false choices, but he did.

    But then on other issues of principle he stuck to his guns.
    Can you tell me what you mean by the word, "pragmatist"? I suspect you mean something different than the dictionary definition.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    McCain is a dinosaur...and a RINO. He would have been a better President that Obama...but that isn't saying much. Heck, back in 2008 Hillary would have been a better President.

    Does anyone really listen to McCain anymore? Oh, wait...you do, HoJ.
    Anyone who will demean the Tea Party Movement is HOJ's new found bud. John McCain along with the Republican Elites don't like the new candidates that were elected with Tea Party support who are younger, full of energy and ready to challenge the status quo. They haven't been there long enough to get tainted by Washington and the old foggies don't much care for them challenging them. The Tea Party Movement is a call to return to the Constitutional first principles, shrink the size of an over bloated Federal government and demand fiscal responsibility from Washington. Apparently that is too much of a threat to many.

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