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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What I condone is an adherence to reality. What I condone is pursuing strategies that actually have a chance at success. In the battle against Obamacare republicans lack three key things 1) power. Pure and simple, without the power of the Senate and the power of the Presidency, they lack the power to end Obamacare. 2) They lack the moral foundation for opposing it in the first place. If they cannot or will not make the moral case against state run programs like SS, Medicare/Medicaid, or state run education, upon what moral basis do they oppose Obamacare? 3)Lack of alternative. That sort of speaks for itself.
    Okay.

    You stick to your strategies. I'm sure those who get the short end of Obamacare will thank you for that.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    McRINO always did enjoy kissing liberal ass.
    I also agree with him in this instance, anyway.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Okay.

    You stick to your strategies. I'm sure those who get the short end of Obamacare will thank you for that.
    Look, they were going to get the short end anyway. I oppose Obamacare as much as you do. What we disagree about is what is currently dividing the republicans in congress--what is the best way to get rid of Obamacare? The only way I can see to ever do that is to elect enough people to political positions that wish to dismantle the law. And the only way to elect enough people to those political positions is for the people to realize just how destructive Obamacare is and will be. So let it go into effect. If it is a disaster, people will elect politicians to fix the problem. That's how it works.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Look, they were going to get the short end anyway. I oppose Obamacare as much as you do. What we disagree about is what is currently dividing the republicans in congress--what is the best way to get rid of Obamacare? The only way I can see to ever do that is to elect enough people to political positions that wish to dismantle the law. And the only way to elect enough people to those political positions is for the people to realize just how destructive Obamacare is and will be. So let it go into effect. If it is a disaster, people will elect politicians to fix the problem. That's how it works.
    Eventually it will more likely be modified through amendments. Working toward that end will probably do more for those opposed to some of the potential effects of the law than repeal or government shutdown.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    I did not step in anything, I said I voted for him, you projected your opinion that he is a crook and tried to make it my opinion. I was an adult during Keating 5, I remember it well. Please, show me his criminal record.

    You don't make a very good first impression, or second, or third. I don't tolerate trolls who can't use logic and reason to argue. I'm done feeding you.
    Let's see, a newbie to the forum who quite obviously didn't read up on any of the posters he's debating with makes a number of outright false characterizations and then claims logic and reason? Laughable.

    If you truly remember the Keating Five you'd know that McCain escaped censure only because:

    The Senate Ethics Committee did not pursue, for lack of jurisdiction, any possible ethics breaches in McCain's delayed reimbursements to Keating for trips at the latter's expense, because they occurred while McCain was in the House.[61] The House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct said that it too lacked jurisdiction, because McCain was no longer in the House.[62] It said it did not require that McCain amend his existing financial disclosure forms for his House years, on the grounds that McCain had now fully reimbursed Keating's company.

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    You haven't been here long enough to know the trolls from the regular posters, nor, being a McCain voter have you demonstrated the judgement to do so.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This is at the very least slightly disingenuous. Moments of deep clarity and principle seem to only be identified with siding with liberal Democrats, whereas empty partisanship seems to be identified whenever he turns into what liberals see as a form of a conservative (or a hawkish conservative)



    Duh. He has to move to the Right to satisfy the rest of the party, much like a moderate Democrat would have to pivot to the Left to gain support of the base (and hope that liberals or left-wingers wouldn't be disproportionately willing to pull the plug for a primary challenger or a 3rd party candidate.[/COLOR]
    I think it's a bit passé to talk about moderate Democrats pivoting left to win elections. If any thing, the Democratic party is a center right party, with progressive elements. Obama pivoted right to get both the nomination and the election (and he didn't really have to pivot much, since he's basically a centrists).

    This just goes to show how far the country has lurched right over the years due to the bombardment of the rightwing noise machine.

    I suspect that's ending soon as the longterm consequences of crazy rightwing politics is finally sinking in for Americans at their kitchen tables.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Let's see, a newbie to the forum who quite obviously didn't read up on any of the posters he's debating with makes a number of outright false characterizations and then claims logic and reason? Laughable. .
    Hey, a personal attack instead of an argument. Right on schedule.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Hey, a personal attack instead of an argument. Right on schedule.
    Heh, funny. He invokes trolls and one appears.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    So, does the 'Tea Party' form a third-party option for the lunatic fringe or do they fade away without the Republican Party veneer of legitimacy? I'm saying they disappear as suddenly as they appeared.
    The tea party will never be The Tea Party. They do not have the guts, the money, the organization skills nor the intelligence to do so. They will forever be the parasite attached to the host sucking the blood right out of it and not able to survive on its own.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The tea party will never be The Tea Party. They do not have the guts, the money, the organization skills nor the intelligence to do so. They will forever be the parasite attached to the host sucking the blood right out of it and not able to survive on its own.
    Nothing quite like a leftist invoking a parasite analogy.

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