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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You've never once voted for a crook? I find that extremely hard to believe.
    I have. However I didn't know at the time they were crooked. Only once did I vote for a crook knowing they were a crook. Couldn't stomach the alternative.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    No, I don't. Perhaps you should work on speaking for yourself rather than thinking you can speak for other posters. Add somethinng to the conversation, rather than trolling.
    Not trolling, and you did indeed admit you voted for and supported McCain, a known crook. Perhaps in the future you should actually read what you post.

    Originally Posted by beefheart
    Well, I'm not a "leftist", I voted for McCain in the Senate primary and general election, and for president. But, don't let facts get in the way of things.
    Last edited by clownboy; 10-11-13 at 01:22 PM.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not trolling, and you did indeed admit you voted for and supported McCain, a known crook. Perhaps in the future you should actually read what you post.
    Your opinion is that he is a crook. Perhaps in the future you might actually understand reading comprehension and logic, but, judging from your reponses to me and others (and their reactions), you are just a juvenile troll. Grow up a bit before you try to enter into an intelligent debate.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    McCain tends to vacillate between moments of deep clarity and principle, and moments of empty partisanship. This was a moment of clarity.
    At least McCain has moments of deep clarity and principle - what's your excuse?
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So you condone letting the damage happen...letting lives be ruined...letting people suffer...because you don't have the courage to try to stop this thing before the damage is done.

    I don't agree with your suggested course of action.
    What I condone is an adherence to reality. What I condone is pursuing strategies that actually have a chance at success. In the battle against Obamacare republicans lack three key things 1) power. Pure and simple, without the power of the Senate and the power of the Presidency, they lack the power to end Obamacare. 2) They lack the moral foundation for opposing it in the first place. If they cannot or will not make the moral case against state run programs like SS, Medicare/Medicaid, or state run education, upon what moral basis do they oppose Obamacare? 3)Lack of alternative. That sort of speaks for itself.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    McCain tends to vacillate between moments of deep clarity and principle, and moments of empty partisanship. This was a moment of clarity.
    McCain did say it was a fools errand and I agree with him. McCain does have his moments. But almost all politicians spend most of their time in what you refer to as an empty partisanship mode. Two of the most partisan I have seen in a very long time are the leaders in the Senate. Reid and McConnell just can get past party. I doubt if those two realize they were Americans once instead of Republican and Democrat.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Your opinion is that he is a crook. Perhaps in the future you might actually understand reading comprehension and logic, but, judging from your reponses to me and others (and their reactions), you are just a juvenile troll. Grow up a bit before you try to enter into an intelligent debate.
    Nice try, but you stepped in it and now want to avoid what you posted. I've got a few years on you sonny, so give the idiot "juvenile" responses a rest. Some of us were adults when the Keating Five were doing their thing.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nice try, but you stepped in it and now want to avoid what you posted. I've got a few years on you sonny, so give the idiot "juvenile" responses a rest. Some of us were adults when the Keating Five were doing their thing.
    I did not step in anything, I said I voted for him, you projected your opinion that he is a crook and tried to make it my opinion. I was an adult during Keating 5, I remember it well. Please, show me his criminal record.

    You don't make a very good first impression, or second, or third. I don't tolerate trolls who can't use logic and reason to argue. I'm done feeding you.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by reidster View Post
    Why can't we push a button and transform all tea party members to Libertarians?
    Because teatards are not Libertarians. They're merely xenophobic, brain-dead idiots who have no clue about anything and are just bitching out of some misguided belief that "illegals" are taking away their money and using hospitals like crazy.

    The teatards' only use is to establishment Repubs who can successfully dupe them every time.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What I condone is an adherence to reality. What I condone is pursuing strategies that actually have a chance at success. In the battle against Obamacare republicans lack three key things
    Get real The GOP supports Obamacare. They love it 100%, because the insurers love it and the insurers are who pay the extra salaries of people like Boner.

    The GOP "opposition" to O-care is merely stale political posturing, and regrettably, as has always been the case, the gullible GOP voting bloc is duped by it.

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