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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Don't get too ahead of yourself. We still have republican Obama to deal with and we will see what he gives to republicans as a sacrifice to appease them. He has made it look like he fought the good fight, and no0w he is going to hand reps what they want. I hope I am wrong, but it is pretty much how Obama works. When he has it in the bag he hamstrings himself and gives it over to the reps.
    That doesn't mean Obama is acting like a Republican. It only means he's a weak President who keeps making bad choices. For example, the last time he mixed it up with Boehner he said he wasn't going to negotiate these things anymore...that he was going to leave it up to Reid. Now he's changed his mind again and he's pissing off ultra-lefties like you.

    Maybe y'all should elect Reid next time. LOL!!
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That doesn't mean Obama is acting like a Republican. It only means he's a weak President who keeps making bad choices. For example, the last time he mixed it up with Boehner he said he wasn't going to negotiate these things anymore...that he was going to leave it up to Reid. Now he's changed his mind again and he's pissing off ultra-lefties like you.

    Maybe y'all should elect Reid next time. LOL!!
    I do not know why you complain so much about Obama, he gives you everything a republican would. Is it just that you don't like taking abuse and crap from a black man instead of a pasty white bush?

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I am no real fan of McCain, but what he said here is absolutely true. Defunding Obamacare was NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Not with Reid running the Senate and Obama in the White House. If republicans want to get rid of Obamacare they have to win elections. That said, their goal is the right one, but their tactics are foolish. The best move for them is to let Obamacare happen. If it is as bad as they believe it will be, people will turn out in droves to elect politicians to repeal the monster. THAT should be their tactic, not pointless brinksmanship.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I do not know why you complain so much about Obama, he gives you everything a republican would. Is it just that you don't like taking abuse and crap from a black man instead of a pasty white bush?
    Is that the best you have, my dear? Trying to make it a race thing?

    In any event, being an ultra-leftie, it's not surprising that you don't understand why anyone might find Obama lacking as a President.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I am no real fan of McCain, but what he said here is absolutely true. Defunding Obamacare was NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Not with Reid running the Senate and Obama in the White House. If republicans want to get rid of Obamacare they have to win elections. That said, their goal is the right one, but their tactics are foolish. The best move for them is to let Obamacare happen. If it is as bad as they believe it will be, people will turn out in droves to elect politicians to repeal the monster. THAT should be their tactic, not pointless brinksmanship.
    I think you give people way too much credit. If Obamacare is allowed to continue the people will get used to it...no matter how bad it is. You've heard about the frog in the pot of water?
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I think you give people way too much credit. If Obamacare is allowed to continue the people will get used to it...no matter how bad it is. You've heard about the frog in the pot of water?
    I think some people will get used to it and actually even like it--people who cant afford coverage now and who will get a heavy subsidy, and people who couldn't get coverage due to pre-existing conditions. It is those who lose their coverage because of Obamacare, or see their rates rise because of Obamacare, or see their hours cut because of Obamacare, or get tax hassles from the IRS because of Obamacare that will ultimately tip the scales against the law and demand massive reform. If it is going to be a train wreck, then let the train wreck and be there to pick up the pieces. The chance to repeal the law vanished with the 2012 election. The job for republicans is to build upon public discontent with the law at the ballot box.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Is that the best you have, my dear? Trying to make it a race thing?

    In any event, being an ultra-leftie, it's not surprising that you don't understand why anyone might find Obama lacking as a President.
    If you think about it obama has continued the war on islam. He has kept gitmo open. He has taken out other world leaders. He gives to banks and business. He deregulates the market. You slap these things on a white face and put republican by his name, you would be singing a different tune.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    If you think about it obama has continued the war on islam. He has kept gitmo open. He has taken out other world leaders. He gives to banks and business. He deregulates the market. You slap these things on a white face and put republican by his name, you would be singing a different tune.
    Oh, I don't mind those things about Obama...though I can understand why you would. But even with the few good things he has done, he is still a failure. He's a failure to you because he hasn't done the ultra-left things you want him to do and he's a failure to me because he's been ineffective, he changes his mind at every turn, he lies and spins when it suits his agenda...whatever that is at the moment. And, above all, he doesn't feel any shame.

    But hey...enough about Obama unless you want to start a new thread about how lousy he is. What do you have to say about McCain?
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I think some people will get used to it and actually even like it--people who cant afford coverage now and who will get a heavy subsidy, and people who couldn't get coverage due to pre-existing conditions. It is those who lose their coverage because of Obamacare, or see their rates rise because of Obamacare, or see their hours cut because of Obamacare, or get tax hassles from the IRS because of Obamacare that will ultimately tip the scales against the law and demand massive reform. If it is going to be a train wreck, then let the train wreck and be there to pick up the pieces. The chance to repeal the law vanished with the 2012 election. The job for republicans is to build upon public discontent with the law at the ballot box.
    So you condone letting the damage happen...letting lives be ruined...letting people suffer...because you don't have the courage to try to stop this thing before the damage is done.

    I don't agree with your suggested course of action.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    McCain is a dinosaur...and a RINO. He would have been a better President that Obama...but that isn't saying much. Heck, back in 2008 Hillary would have been a better President.

    Does anyone really listen to McCain anymore? Oh, wait...you do, HoJ.
    Why is it that the people who defined the Republican party for decades (like McCain, Orrin Hatch) are suddenly RINOs, while the newcomers are the "true Republicans?" I think if Ronald Reagan were alive today, he'd be getting called a RINO, too. We've already seen that Abraham Lincoln wasn't a "real Republican" and he's one of the founders of the Republican party!


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