Page 21 of 22 FirstFirst ... 1119202122 LastLast
Results 201 to 210 of 212

Thread: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

  1. #201
    Educator Grendel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-02-13 @ 01:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    704

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    My conclusion is that the tea party is, in fact, the real heart and soul of the GOP and the conservative movement. Its knownothingism, its xenophobia and scapegoating is the real inspiration for conservative politics, and always has been. But with the demographic extinction of conservatism as a political force drawing nigh, conservatism has gone fundamentalists. That's always the case when a movement is losing and history is leaving it behind. It's why Moslem and Christian fundamentalism is on the rise -- they're losing out to modernization. Same with conservatism. The fundamentalism of the tea party will prevail against the remaining sane Republicans, and hasten the de-evolution of the GOP into a marginal, regional party.
    They won't die, but they'll be weak for a couple of cycles. There are young Republicans and they'll pull the party along until it's again capable of appealing to main stream voters. Then those young conservatives will grow old, and they'll refuse to change with whatever society is doing at that time, and they'll wither until the next generation pulls it into the main stream.

    The problem with the party is taht they represent the wealthy, and pretty much by definition that's a minority demographic, so they have to find a way to sell ownership class economics to working class voters; hence the endless appeals to emotion: religion, xenophobia, nationalism, and whatever other kind of elitism they can market. They're just in a pinch (again) because society is making rapid changes and that's not something that conservatives are good at . . . also almost by definition.
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

  2. #202
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,945
    Blog Entries
    25

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    PBS had a two show during his early campaign that followed him on the campaign trail. He didn't show a lot of depth in his decision making. Pretty sure he just went on having heard good things about her from press she'd gotten. He wanted someone young to counter Obama and being female was the kicker.

    Most of the show was, listen to advisors, nap, kiss a crying baby, nap, read a speech, nap and top it all off with a really good nap.
    I like John McCain, the man, not all his policies. In fact he is the only candidate for president from the two major parties that I voted for over the last six presidential cycles. But his choice of Palin was plain stupid. I do not know what he was trying to do or accomplish. Alaska was never in danger of going to Obama, so it wasn't to put a swing state in his column. Palin was a staunch conservative, so it wasn't to appeal to independents. Perhaps to appease his base or the conservatives of his party is the only thing I can come up with. But the Republican base has always been smaller than the Democratic one. Besides she sure wasn't vetted properly. She probably lost McCain votes in the long run.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

  3. #203
    Resident Martian ;)
    PirateMk1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:20 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    9,925

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    I read that the party told him to do it. Like, with no options.
    You really believe that? I don't. McCain doesn't strike me as a man who would allow someone to dictate to him what he is gona do.
    Semper Fidelis, Semper Liber.
    I spit at lots of people through my computer screen. Not only does it "teach them a lesson" but it keeps the screen clean and shiny.
    Stolen fair and square from the Capt. Courtesey himself.

  4. #204
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You really believe that? I don't. McCain doesn't strike me as a man who would allow someone to dictate to him what he is gona do.
    Yeah, you don't make it out of the hanoi hilton by being a pushover

  5. #205
    Educator Grendel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-02-13 @ 01:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    704

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You really believe that? I don't. McCain doesn't strike me as a man who would allow someone to dictate to him what he is gona do.
    Deal making is pretty much par for course in politics. In fact, that's more or less what politics is. They probably told him he couldn't get all the funding they had unless he played ball, or something. McCain also doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would pick a mildly retarded woman he knows nothing about to be the VP. One of those two happened, I find it more believable that his hand was being pressed by the party.
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

  6. #206
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Deal making is pretty much par for course in politics. In fact, that's more or less what politics is. They probably told him he couldn't get all the funding they had unless he played ball, or something. McCain also doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would pick a mildly retarded woman he knows nothing about to be the VP. One of those two happened, I find it more believable that his hand was being pressed by the party.
    deal making is different than being ordered to do something. Your previous post made it sound like the later. But beyond that, it makes no sense because she was pretty much a noname, and they had prospects that were better known and who would have served there agenda better. One of the big issues with Palin was that everything had to be about Palin

  7. #207
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I like John McCain, the man, not all his policies. In fact he is the only candidate for president from the two major parties that I voted for over the last six presidential cycles. But his choice of Palin was plain stupid. I do not know what he was trying to do or accomplish. Alaska was never in danger of going to Obama, so it wasn't to put a swing state in his column. Palin was a staunch conservative, so it wasn't to appeal to independents. Perhaps to appease his base or the conservatives of his party is the only thing I can come up with. But the Republican base has always been smaller than the Democratic one. Besides she sure wasn't vetted properly. She probably lost McCain votes in the long run.
    if I can find the clip of that now broadcast I'll post it, but Palin , as presented there, was a dream choice. And, again, going from memory, that is how they were introduced to her and basically what made them decide to go with her. Due to the process being so frustrating and taking so long.

    Apparently the McCain campaign worked through their entire list of candidates at the time, and were rather resistant to the suggestions they were getting from the party organizers and leadership

  8. #208
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Video: Meet Sarah Palin . NOW on PBS

    here's a rebroadcast they did of a very short segment from the original show, after McCain picked her for VP. I'll still try to find the original broadcast. PBS usually archives all that stuff, so it should still be available


    Here's the original

    Video: Alaska: The Senator and the Oil Man . NOW | PBS

    If I remember right, it aired a week or two prior to her getting picked

  9. #209
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,945
    Blog Entries
    25

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    if I can find the clip of that now broadcast I'll post it, but Palin , as presented there, was a dream choice. And, again, going from memory, that is how they were introduced to her and basically what made them decide to go with her. Due to the process being so frustrating and taking so long.

    Apparently the McCain campaign worked through their entire list of candidates at the time, and were rather resistant to the suggestions they were getting from the party organizers and leadership
    Could be, that seems like so long ago. I'll tell you this, when McCain introduced her although I was a McCain supporter, that left me scratching my head. I didn't understand it then and 5 years later, I still don't.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

  10. #210
    Sage


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    IL
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    36,837

    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Speaking of Sen. McCain, he has Sen. Goldwater's great lashing humor..
    Today, his quip was that GOP support was down to Blood relatives and paid staffers..
    he had one on the Dems. also.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Could be, that seems like so long ago. I'll tell you this, when McCain introduced her although I was a McCain supporter, that left me scratching my head. I didn't understand it then and 5 years later, I still don't.
    Physics is Phun

Page 21 of 22 FirstFirst ... 1119202122 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •