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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Why can't we push a button and transform all tea party members to Libertarians?

    But seriously, the tea party was a decent idea that was then hijacked by neoconservatives and religious zealots. Their social views are laughable at best when it comes to reality. It seems that most of them are more intent on challenging the government than promoting freedom.

    It seems like the movement is the last ditch effort of neoconservatives and traditionalists to make a stand and save their ideals. Hate to break it to them, but the future of the Right in American politics is economic and social/personal freedom.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    There can be no saying this is as far as Repubs will take it..They consistently continue to prove everyone wrong..This continues to be about Cantor and Obama, as it has been for 57 months.


    Do you see Cruz or Bachmann at the "conversations" at the WH??
    They have been completely minimized by what they started and the Koch slap-down.
    I did relish the Koch slapdown. I guess even the billionaire brothers saw their stocks in danger if Cruz kept plowing forward to default.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by reidster View Post
    Why can't we push a button and transform all tea party members to Libertarians?

    But seriously, the tea party was a decent idea that was then hijacked by neoconservatives and religious zealots. Their social views are laughable at best when it comes to reality. It seems that most of them are more intent on challenging the government than promoting freedom.

    It seems like the movement is the last ditch effort of neoconservatives and traditionalists to make a stand and save their ideals. Hate to break it to them, but the future of the Right in American politics is economic and social/personal freedom.
    In theory, but it will never get there. There are too many historical skeletons in the conservative closet for conservatism to abandon its worst instinct to control others.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    In theory, but it will never get there. There are too many historical skeletons in the conservative closet for conservatism to abandon its worst instinct to control others.
    It will be forced to - or die off and be replaced by a different ideology/party (Hopefully not "Moderate Conservatives", these guys are barely on the Right of things...).
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Treasury Bills--The KOCHs lost millions on Tuesday night and so did the USA in cost of borrowing to do business..
    Try to catch the clip of Bernstein slapping down Cantor as the REAL culprit since election night 2008 and much much more on Lawrence O'Donnell last night..
    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I did relish the Koch slapdown. I guess even the billionaire brothers saw their stocks in danger if Cruz kept plowing forward to default.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    McCain tends to vacillate between moments of deep clarity and principle, and moments of empty partisanship. This was a moment of clarity.
    This is at the very least slightly disingenuous. Moments of deep clarity and principle seem to only be identified with siding with liberal Democrats, whereas empty partisanship seems to be identified whenever he turns into what liberals see as a form of a conservative (or a hawkish conservative)

    McCain's an odd duck. He totally caved to the right when he ran for president and said incredibly stupid things (not to mention foolishly had that horrid harpy as his running mate). Then, at other times he stands up for principle. Hard to figure him out. But he's no tea party troll, at least.


    Duh. He has to move to the Right to satisfy the rest of the party, much like a moderate Democrat would have to pivot to the Left to gain support of the base (and hope that liberals or left-wingers wouldn't be disproportionately willing to pull the plug for a primary challenger or a 3rd party candidate.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Moderate Conservative reminds me of what I believe to be the THIRD wing of the SCOTUS, Roberts and Kennedy..
    I am comfortable to predict a future split decision with those two plus a mix of 4 from both "ideology" wings..
    I believe split decisions, such as ACA and VRA, along with the coming Citizens Divided 2.0, will prove this.
    Quote Originally Posted by reidster View Post
    It will be forced to - or die off and be replaced by a different ideology/party (Hopefully not "Moderate Conservatives", these guys are barely on the Right of things...).
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post

    Duh. He has to move to the Right to satisfy the rest of the party, much like a moderate Democrat would have to pivot to the Left to gain support of the base (and hope that liberals or left-wingers wouldn't be disproportionately willing to pull the plug for a primary challenger or a 3rd party candidate.[/COLOR]
    A version of your Democratic discontent would be much lower voter turnout in 2010..
    Young not energized for POTUS..
    GLBT feeling slighted in accomplishments..
    Lower 'minority' turnout, just a fact of life..
    Disillusion watching the TEA rise..
    Historic trend of lower Dem % at mid-terms.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    That's the question Boehner is facing right now. He's trying to prevent a civil war breaking out between the normals and the freaks, but now he's taken it as far as he can without endangering the future of the normals. I've sort of concluded this entire sad debt ceiling/funding circus had nothing to do with the GOP/Democrat situation. It was all about an internal dispute of the Republicans.

    The future's uncertain what will happen next with the Cruz's and Bachmanns of the GOP. I frankly don't know whether to root for the tea party's demise or continued parasitical existence in the GOP.
    Don't get too ahead of yourself. We still have republican Obama to deal with and we will see what he gives to republicans as a sacrifice to appease them. He has made it look like he fought the good fight, and no0w he is going to hand reps what they want. I hope I am wrong, but it is pretty much how Obama works. When he has it in the bag he hamstrings himself and gives it over to the reps.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    McCain tends to vacillate between moments of deep clarity and principle, and moments of empty partisanship. This was a moment of clarity.

    McRINO always did enjoy kissing liberal ass.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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