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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, it wasn't sarcasm. it was an explanation on why Tavis Smiley doesn't like Obama. And I'm figuring you lack the ability to differentiate that explanation from my personal views, which I didn't express

    Basically: potato.
    Well, you kinda did express your views in your post...

    Do you support Obama?

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Libertarians see eye to eye with TPers on certain things ... we also see eye to eye with liberals on certain things... there's even a lil shared vision with Socialists thrown in the mix.

    seeing eye to eye on certain things with others is not the same as saying there is no difference between them.

    for instance,Republicans are overwhelmingly opposed to abortion in any case ( 63% think it should be illegal).... the same poll asked that question of those whom are Tea Partiers.. 88% think it should be illegal in all cases.
    abortion is most certainly a social issue... and TPers are most certainly more conservative on that issue that Libertarians.
    the drug war is another social issue where TPers take a conservative stance.

    anyways, Tea Partiers are just conservative Republicans who got tired of fiscal mismanagement in the federal government and decided to form a movement.
    while they do see eye to eye with Libertarians on a few issues, they are not Libertarians.... they are, by and large, just plain old conservative republicans
    I understand social issues... However 75% of the tea party ARE Libertarians

    I'm opposed to abortion because it's cold blooded murder - abortion is no different than murdering an unarmed individual that may impede you in some way or another...

    Libertarians don't support murder...

    As far as drugs - only the progressive republicans give a **** about the "war on drugs."

    I don't believe even republicans (not the progressive type or RINO's) really give a **** if weed is legal or not..

    I've been to numerous Tea Party rallies (at least 30) and I'm a member of my areas Libertarian chapter ...... I can tell you that the only issues that come into controversy between libertarians and conservatives is abortion and geopolitical intervention (war)...

    IMO, one cannot be a Libertarian and be pro-choice..

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well, you kinda did express your views in your post
    No, I explained another person's views. There is a pretty clear distinction there

    Do you support Obama?
    No, I'm not particularly a fan. Not sure what that has to do with your generally over reactive and bizarre posting habits, though

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, I explained another person's views. There is a pretty clear distinction there



    No, I'm not particularly a fan. Not sure what that has to do with your generally over reactive and bizarre posting habits, though
    You were the one who brought up Obama while previously making a tongue n cheek response that was confusing in the first place - now you want to get snooty with me for inquiring?

    Maybe if you elaborated a little more on your intent instead of babbled in an attempt to talk **** we wouldn't be exchanging posts in this manner...

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Tea Partiers are, by and large, socially conservative... Libertarians are, by and large socially liberal.
    I know that's the common distinction between the two, but many who profess to be socially liberal - such as Rand Paul, for example - are anything but that. You only have to check some of the so-called Libertarian posters on this forum to find more examples.
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You were the one who brought up Obama while previously making a tongue n cheek response that was confusing in the first place - now you want to get snooty with me for inquiring?
    Huh? No, someone brought up Tavis Smiley and asked what his issue was with Obama and who he thinks African Americans should vote for. So I answered that question. And if you're confused by the process of someone asking a question, and another person answering that question, the problem isn't on my end

    Maybe if you elaborated a little more on your intent instead of babbled in an attempt to talk **** we wouldn't be exchanging posts in this manner...
    Well that is my point: my intent would be clear with 99.9% of the socially functional adults in the world

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I know that's the common distinction between the two, but many who profess to be socially liberal - such as Rand Paul, for example - are anything but that. You only have to check some of the so-called Libertarian posters on this forum to find more examples.
    depends. I would say if you had very rigid anti abortion views, but that you view it as a personal choice (not one the state should enforce), that you are "socially liberal" on the issue. Though admittedly the use of language is clumsy and confuses two very distinct positions, I'm just not sure how better to express it.

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    What "emotionalism" do you speak of?

    Passion for our existing civil rights as documented and outlined in the Constitution is considered "emotionalism?"

    Stopping the progressive tyrants who want to destroy those civil rights is considered "emotionalism?"
    Are you asking for a list of Glenn Beck's and Palin's weird emotional statements?

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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, I don't mind those things about Obama...though I can understand why you would. But even with the few good things he has done, he is still a failure. He's a failure to you because he hasn't done the ultra-left things you want him to do and he's a failure to me because he's been ineffective, he changes his mind at every turn, he lies and spins when it suits his agenda...whatever that is at the moment. And, above all, he doesn't feel any shame.

    But hey...enough about Obama unless you want to start a new thread about how lousy he is. What do you have to say about McCain?
    And why should Obama feel ashamed over anything when nobody in this country feels shame or respects anybody who does?
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    Re: John McCain Blames Tea Party For Government Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why is it that the people who defined the Republican party for decades (like McCain, Orrin Hatch) are suddenly RINOs, while the newcomers are the "true Republicans?"
    That's what I was about to post. Calling McCain a RINO is silly. He's been a GOP stalwart for a long, long time, and he got the GOP nomination for President. The Republican Party looked at the entire nation to decide who best represented the party, and they chose him. His is the Republican Party. Or at least he is what it was.
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