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California's brown signs bill permitting non-physician abortions [W:307]

Re: California's brown signs bill permitting non-physician abortions

Assembly Bill 154 will address the current shortage of health care professionals able to provide early abortion care in California. It will authorize trained Nurse Practitioners (NPs), Certified Nurse Midwives (CNMs) and Physician Assistants (PAs) to provide comprehensive first trimester abortion care, which is within the scope of their licenses.

Current Bills
 
Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

you are welcome to that opinion but its meanignless

No, I'm afraid it's not meaningless. The FDA does not govern abortion.
 
Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

No, I'm afraid it's not meaningless. The FDA does not govern abortion.

they govern an abortion pill and abortion meds exactly what im talking about so yes your opinion is meaningless
facts destroy your failed post again
fact recall:
Post 199 is factually false
 
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they govern an abortion pill and abortion meds exactly what im talking about so yes your opinion is meaningless

That is not the same thing as governing abortion procedure.

facts destroy your failed post again
fact recall:
Post 199 is factually false

No, your misunderstanding of facts destroys yours.
 
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actually we are and i have been, it was APPROVED to use a certain way

not one is disputing the drugs use in chemical abortions though (the federal level of oversight). What is being disputed is how it's being administered (the state level of oversight). As I said, it';s a distinction that is seemingly lost on you. But it is an important one


the state put EXTRA on top of that

who administers these drugs and how is clearly a state function, which operates with the approval system of the FDA.

There are two distinct tiers there that compliment each other
 
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Good job Cali!
feelings, deceptive biased opinions and forcing morals on others lose to science/medical standards of offering regulated and safe medical care to people who need it!
 
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you just cited a summery of the bill from planned parenthood. I cited the actual text of the bill. Do you need that distinction explained to you, as well?
 
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1.)not one is disputing the drugs use in chemical abortions though (the federal level of oversight). What is being disputed is how it's being administered (the state level of oversight). As I said, it';s a distinction that is seemingly lost on you. But it is an important one

2.)who administers these drugs and how is clearly a state function, which operates with the approval system of the FDA.

There are two distinct tiers there that compliment each other

1.) sorry FDA has some control here too. not lost i just know the facts.
2.) nope, what if the FDA deems it can be over the counter or the FDA deems it has to be a prescription and supervised? then the stat can not violate that in a less direction.
The state could make an over the counter, prescription but not the other way around.
 
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they govern an abortion pill and abortion meds exactly what im talking about so yes your opinion is meaningless
facts destroy your failed post again
fact recall:
Post 199 is factually false

But we are discussing how the medication is administered and by whom
 
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you just cited a summery of the bill from planned parenthood. I cited the actual text of the bill. Do you need that distinction explained to you, as well?

yes you did and i cited it before you, you know when you were declaring it wasnt posted even though me and 2 others did and i was the first to post the whole thing LOL DO you need reminded of that? It couled even be assumed the only reason you have it is because of me.
the bill doesnt change anything at all of what we are talking about it, the bill doesnt define the scope of PAs etc, you were questioning scope, its in theirs, thanks for playing you lose again to facts. This is fun!
 
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1.) sorry FDA has some control here too. not lost i just know the facts.

I, nor mac, never claimed the FDA doesn't approve drugs


2.) nope, what if the FDA deems it can be over the counter or the FDA deems it has to be a prescription and supervised? then the stat can not violate that in a less direction.

You mean the scheduling system? Yes, that's regulating the drug, itself. How that drug is administered is a state aspect of oversight
 
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But we are discussing how the medication is administered and by whom

EXACTLY!

yes which the FDA most certainly can effect in many cases but FACTUALLY this one, thanks for seeing that facts

lets do a factual example.

if the FDA decides tomorrow it was wrong and that the day after pill must be prescription and the age of 18 then what factually happens to this new bill? or even better yet its a
It will have to change again of parts of it will be moot because now without a doctors involvement the FDAs standards arent being met and change must happen.
 
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1.)I, nor mac, never claimed the FDA doesn't approve drugs

2.)You mean the scheduling system? Yes, that's regulating the drug, itself. How that drug is administered is a state aspect of oversight

1.) weird i never made that claim either, thanks again captain obvious
2.) again see the example the FDA has some impact here
 
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EXACTLY!

yes which the FDA most certainly can effect in many cases but FACTUALLY this one, thanks for seeing that facts

lets do a factual example.

if the FDA decides tomorrow it was wrong and that the day after pill must be prescription and the age of 18 then what factually happens to this new bill? or even better yet its a
It will have to change again of parts of it will be moot because now without a doctors involvement the FDAs standards arent being met and change must happen.

If abortion were illegal in California after 21 days, it would be illegal for anyone to administer an FDA approved abortifacient after 21 days.

Get it?
 
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If abortion were illegal in California after 21 days, it would be illegal for anyone to administer an FDA approved abortifacient after 21 days.

Get it?

yes this is true, i already said the state can go in one direction against the FDA and not the other, i said it about 5 times with examples shall i qoute on of them? I said they can add to the restricitions but cant go less then them.

get it?

thank you for the continued entertainment and fails.
 
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EXACTLY!

yes which the FDA most certainly can effect in many cases but FACTUALLY this one, thanks for seeing that facts

Yes, obviously the fda not approving a drug means people will not be able to prescribe it, but that would be a rather nebulous point if we were discussing the delivery of medical care here. Which we are ...
 
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1.) weird i never made that claim either, thanks again captain obvious

You keep citing the fact as if it undermines our arguments ...
 
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yes this is true, i already said the state can go in one direction against the FDA

No, they actively regulate different areas. One is drug approval, the other is the delivery of care
 
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We are not discussing the approval and regulation oif drugs in general. We are discussing the use of drugs *within* medical care. There is an important distinction there that you will likely be incapable of grasping

go figure
 
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just gonna post some facts and ill get back to destroying all the lies and nonsensical deflections later when im board


what this bill does is it stops older law from adding EXTRA and SPECIAL restrictions based on NOTHING medical or science backed.

now the state is using the exact or close to same standards/regulations the the medical/science orgs use/recommend

this will now allow more access to regulated health care for people that need it with out illogical state regulation in the way.

Nothing new was created medical or science wise, no medical/science standards have been side stepped just simply allowing the medical community to do its job under the same medical standards it has been.

the few denying this lost to the facts/links presented in the thread

THIS makes me and may people who like medical care and access to it very happy and it will help many people who need it, it obviously hurts a few peoples feelings and that is amusing.
 
Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

yes this is true, i already said the state can go in one direction against the FDA and not the other, i said it about 5 times with examples shall i qoute on of them? I said they can add to the restricitions but cant go less then them.

get it?

thank you for the continued entertainment and fails.

Which means it is the state that sets the standards for when and where an abortion can be performed. This is the part you are missing. Whether or not the FDA has approved medicines for that procedure is irrelevant to who governs the procedure.
 
Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

just gonna post some facts and ill get back to destroying all the lies and nonsensical deflections later when im board


what this bill does is it stops older law from adding EXTRA and SPECIAL restrictions based on NOTHING medical or science backed.

No, it lessens state requirements on the performance of an abortion, as it is state law that governs the procedure, not the FDA.

now the state is using the exact or close to same standards/regulations the the medical/science orgs use/recommend

What "medical/science orgs"?

this will now allow more access to regulated health care for people that need it with out illogical state regulation in the way.

All this means is that the state has removed the state's restrictions on abortion.

Nothing new was created medical or science wise, no medical/science standards have been side stepped just simply allowing the medical community to do its job under the same medical standards it has been.

No-one claimed anything new was created. What is claimed, and is true, is that California has lessened restrictions on abortion.

the few denying this lost to the facts/links presented in the thread

THIS makes me and may people who like medical care and access to it very happy and it will help many people who need it, it obviously hurts a few peoples feelings and that is amusing.

Allowing anyone other than an MD to perform medical procedures is increasing the risk in that procedure...not improving it.
 
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Allowing anyone other than an MD to perform medical procedures is increasing the risk in that procedure...not improving it.

Indeed. You can argue that the extra precaution is unnecessary or overly burdensome, like I stated in my first few posts. But what you can't do is equate the same level of proficiency and training (safety) between doctors and PA, NP, MW, RN, etc
 
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Indeed. You can argue that the extra precaution is unnecessary or overly burdensome, like I stated in my first few posts. But what you can't do is equate the same level of proficiency and training (safety) between doctors and PA, NP, MW, RN, etc

Exactly, and I am pessimistic enough to know that some people will jump at the chance to make a buck here, with the minimum required training. I see some "enterprising" RNs viewing a few power-points, taking a test, and becoming licensed to perform abortions.
 
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Exactly, and I am pessimistic enough to know that some people will jump at the chance to make a buck here, with the minimum required training. I see some "enterprising" RNs viewing a few power-points, taking a test, and becoming licensed to perform abortions.

You will notice most people started defending this on the basis on any doubt was fueled by an interest in restricting abortions, and this continued regardless how much anyone stressed the issue of patient safety. So clearly concern about ideology trumping legitimate safety issues are more than warranted
 
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