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California's brown signs bill permitting non-physician abortions [W:307]

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Dr. Chuckles said:
Hey, genius, the state ignored reports of patient death, and had such a lax system of oversight that Nail salons faced bigger legislative hurdles than abortion clinics. So yes, there is a thing such as "ineffective oversight"
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thats it get angry lol
remind me what your story has to do with anything here concerning this bill?
another deflection another fail, this is hilarious, just keep dodging the facts and getting your OP destoryed!
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
1.)ok, then explain how the oversight, training, and certification process are adequate here. Give me the details of the program that you are apparently privy to and educate me.

Because surely you wouldn't be making the claim that it was adequate while having a complete absence of information to base that on
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1.) their rate of success vs failure, are you now arguing you want the whole medical field retrained and re-certified to something of your licking
2.) another desperate deflection, we were comparing mechanic/certified inspections technician vs medical community. remind me who goes to school longer has to have training and is over seen by federal/state orgs of greater nature

thanks for playing, another failed post and deflections, please dont stop posting
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
AGENT J said:
No such thing was suggested. What I pointed out was that merely having something labeled "training" and giving someone a "certification" does not mean either is actually adequate




I didn't cite Gosnell's training. What I did was cite the fact that gosnell was subject to state oversight, but how that oversight was structured meant it was meaningless. Hence, going "but there was oversight", or he was certified" ignores the fact that these are not magical designations that can't be thrown about when discussing oversight, and training that is *Inadequate*
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this is true because with or without perfect training they could still break the law or violate procedure just like a . . . . wait for it . . . . . wiat for it . . . . . DOCTOR!!!!!!! ding ding ding ding
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AGENT J said:
remind me what your story has to do with anything here concerning this bill?
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Because it highlights ideological concerns for increasing abortion access can totally trump legitimate concerns for patient safety, even at the state level, to the point that the state actually ignores gross abuses and even multiple patient deaths.

But I already explained this like two pages back
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) their rate of success vs failure, are you now arguing you want the whole medical field retrained and re-certified to something of your licking
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the bill authorizing this was just passed

2.) another desperate deflection, we were comparing mechanic/certified inspections technician vs medical community. remind me who goes to school longer has to have training and is over seen by federal/state orgs of greater nature
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You're the one that drew the comparison. I'm the one that highlighted a) you don't drive a BMW, and b) the comparison was stupid
 
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AGENT J said:
Dr. Chuckles said:
this is true because with or without perfect training they could still break the law or violate procedure just like a . . . . wait for it . . . . . wiat for it . . . . . DOCTOR!!!!!!! ding ding ding ding
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adaquate =/= perfect

nor does the suggestion for adequate training make any notions towards the idea that individuals can't break the law after receiving it
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Because it highlights ideological concerns for increasing abortion access can totally trump legitimate concerns for patient safety, even at the state level, to the point that the state actually ignores gross abuses and even multiple patient deaths.

But I already explained this like two pages back
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and it failed two pages back its a made up strawman
your worries have nothing to do with this, unless again you want to questions the WHOLE medical field, otherwise questioning just this bill otherwise its totally hypocritical, illogical and biased
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
1.)the bill authorizing this was just passed

2.)You're the one that drew the comparison. I'm the one that highlighted a) you don't drive a BMW, and b) the comparison was stupid
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1.) yep and the fact you keep missing is these regulations/rules have been around much much much longer and are the same else where
2.) yep because it showed how failed and illogical your post was. Your reply even further that fact. thank you.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
adaquate =/= perfect

nor does the suggestion for adequate training make any notions towards the idea that individuals can't break the law after receiving it
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exactly but yet you keep talkgin about it like it means something and it got destoryed pages agao and is still geting destoryed
doctor or PA = could BOTH break laws, ignore training = your concern over this bill is meanignless
 
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AGENT J said:
Dr. Chuckles said:
exactly but yet you keep talkgin about it like it means something and it got destoryed pages agao and is still geting destoryed
doctor or PA = could BOTH break laws, ignore training = your concern over this bill is meanignless
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I could keep trying to explain it to you but we both know you're just not going to get it and continue filling this thread up with empty declarations of victory.
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I could keep trying to explain it to you but we both know you're just not going to get it and continue filling this thread up with empty declarations of victory.
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translation: none of your deflections, back pedals, made up stories and or moving of the goal posts is going to work so youll just use a failed insult to try and save face and continue your failed posting streak on this topic.

Let me know when you are ready to address any of the many points and facts that defeated your posts, ill be here.
 
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AGENT J said:
translation: none of your deflections, back pedals, made up stories and or moving of the goal posts is going to work so youll just use a failed insult to try and save face and continue your failed posting streak on this topic.
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or I just don't feel like endlessly repeating myself while you reply "i am king of the world". Sorry, I could probably get more intellectual stimulation by jacking off with cat ****

Let me know when you are ready to address any of the many points and facts that defeated your posts, ill be here.
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ok
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
1.)or I just don't feel like endlessly repeating myself while you reply "i am king of the world". Sorry, I could probably get more intellectual stimulation by jacking off with cat ****



ok
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1.) see another deflection and failed insult brought on by being exposed
has nothing to do with me, you post failed against facts
2.) cant wait, im sure those failures will be funny too.
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
I thought that as a conservative, Breitbart would love the free market being allowed to work. Greater competition means that consumers will be even more protected, because patients will have more options when it comes to their abortions. Bad practitioners will be pressured to improve or go out of business. Even then if he didn't agree with this, the same safety standards apply. And don't tell me that his line isn't just him editorializing. He didn't actually cite anyone, and it was the only opinion in the article. It's his opinion, which he never bothers to back up with evidence.

If you oppose abortions, talk about restricting abortions. Advocating for these extra "safety regulations" and then claiming that you are only looking out for women's safety is a complete load of horse****. If you oppose abortion, fine, talk about that, but the vast majority of laws currently being passed and advocated by pro-lifers goes far and away from keeping women safe and only seeks to restrict abortions.
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Nonsense.

Being a free market type person doesn't mean you should be an advocate for a product or procedure that is going to result in deliberate certain death for one human and possibly the death of another.

And a person can certainly be against the murder of unborn children and still be concerned about a woman's health.

So I'll talk about both with no concerns to what you think I should or should not talk about..
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Nonsense.

Being a free market type person doesn't mean you should be an advocate for a product or procedure that is going to result in deliberate certain death for one human and possibly the death of another.

And a person can certainly be against the murder of unborn children and still be concerned about a woman's health.

So I'll talk about both with no concerns to what you think I should or should not talk about..
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theres factually no murder going on
but i do have a question, what "possible death" are you referring to above? that of the mothers?
 
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Erod said:
First of all, HE is dead.
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I actually completely forgot, thanks for reminding me. The point still stands about the site, though.
 
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AGENT J said:
well you just further proved you have no clue what you are talking about, the people allowed to do this all have the training and are licensed to do so. FAIL
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LOL. Yep, a person can get a private pilots license and have a very basic, limited knowledge about flying. But there's a common sense reason why they don't let those people fly commercially. It wouldn't be safe for anybody.

LOL. So continue to fail as everyone knows you will.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
1.)LOL. Yep, a person can get a private pilots license and have a very basic, limited knowledge about flying. But there's a common sense reason why they don't let those people fly commercially. It wouldn't be safe for anybody.

2.)LOL. So continue to fail as everyone knows you will.
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1.) fail because as with this theres regulations and procedures/training one gets and all these people allowed to give THIS medicine and do THIS procedure already have the training/certifications.
first the medical community already requires it and this bill doubles down on it and makes it illegal not too have it.

2.) nope facts proved you wrong and destroyed your failed post/analogy again

wow thanks for making that easy

please continue to show how severely uneducated you are on this topic though, you are cracking us up.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
First of all, Breitbart didn't write the article, he died [RIP] back in 2012. The article was written by Joel Pollak. For another thing, cited in the article was this Sacramento Bee piece

Another View: Abortion access bill is misleading and unnecessary - Viewpoints - The Sacramento Bee

"What is the real motive behind AB 154?

The University of San Francisco Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health study the authors cite as demonstrating that lower-level clinicians can safely perform surgical abortions specifically targets “low-income and minority women” for increased “access” to abortion. Since Medi-Cal pays for abortion, clinics have a financial incentive to expand abortions in poor neighborhoods. It also cites the Affordable Care Act, which will vastly expand the number of people on Medi-Cal. Abortion providers hope to tap this new market by expanding the number of clinicians and clinics that can provide surgical abortions.

Meanwhile, the abortion industry is thriving. According to 2010 tax records, nine “nonprofit” Planned Parenthood affiliates in California spent $1.8 million on lobbying alone. "

So, yes, everyone has their opinions, along with you and yours...and if you think Pro lifers are ONLY looking out for children and not looking out these mainly young and manipulated women, well...speaking of opinions, IMO, what they say about opinions certainly applies in spades to yours in this case...;)
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Poor women are less capable of making a decision on abortion? That's what I got out of this article. Who is manipulating them? If anything, this increased competition will serve to protect these women more. Yeah people will benefit from liberalizing these laws, people always make money off of liberalizing laws. Look, if you are against abortion being made more available, because you see it as morally objectionable, I take no issue with that. I would generally disagree, but I see your point. This talk about "protecting women" on the other hand is ridiculous, unnecessary (yes abortions have risks attached to them, but so do all medical procedures), and very condescending. These "mental health issues" are also in the same vein. You don't think that the vast majority of women who obtain abortions don't think about the pain of what they're doing? Nobody wants to need an abortion. Everyone agrees that they suck, but these implications that women can't make this decision themselves really irks me.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) fail because as with this theres regulations and procedures/training one gets and all these people allowed to give THIS medicine and do THIS procedure already have the training/certifications.

2.) nope facts proved you wrong and destroyed your failed post/analogy again

wow thanks for making that easy

please continue to show how severely uneducated you are on this topic though, you are cracking us up.
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Drive on with your failure. LOL.

A private pilot has training and certifications to do the exact same thing commercial pilots do. But they don't have the knowledge or skill as a commercial pilot. Same type relationship between a midwife or nurse and a doctor. The risks to having an abortion are clearly listed in planned parenthood websites. So when problems develop and they do, these people "trained/certified" do not posses the ability to treat or handle an emergency at the same knowledge or skill level as a doctor. But as usual, killing off an evil baby is more important than anything including the mother to those on the left.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Nonsense.

Being a free market type person doesn't mean you should be an advocate for a product or procedure that is going to result in deliberate certain death for one human and possibly the death of another.

And a person can certainly be against the murder of unborn children and still be concerned about a woman's health.

So I'll talk about both with no concerns to what you think I should or should not talk about..
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I'm not saying that you can't be against abortion for other reasons, but these restrictions are onerous and have almost no effect on safety that wouldn't be more than compensated for by increased competition. I take issue with the claim that many of these restrictive abortion laws protect women's health. They arbitrarily target this one medical procedure. The people that call for these laws more often than not would call similar restrictions on other medical procedures onerous and unnecessary.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Drive on with your failure. LOL.

A private pilot has training and certifications to do the exact same thing commercial pilots do. But they don't have the knowledge or skill as a commercial pilot. Same type relationship between a midwife or nurse and a doctor. The risks to having an abortion are clearly listed in planned parenthood websites. So when problems develop and they do, these people "trained/certified" do not posses the ability to treat or handle an emergency at the same knowledge or skill level as a doctor. But as usual, killing off an evil baby is more important than anything including the mother to those on the left.
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And to the authoritarian right, the ones who make mouth noises about limited government, but want that same government to make the decision for the women about whether to carry a fetus to term, it's all about finding any possible way to make abortion into "killing babies" and turning anything that makes it easier into some evil plot against women.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
And to the authoritarian right, the ones who make mouth noises about limited government, but want that same government to make the decision for the women about whether to carry a fetus to term, it's all about finding any possible way to make abortion into "killing babies" and turning anything that makes it easier into some evil plot against women.
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That's because abortion is about killing babies. No getting around it. And the left will go to any extreme to kill off as many babies as possible.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
That's because abortion is about killing babies. No getting around it.
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That's your opinion, and it is opinion only. If you believe that life begins at conception, then by all means, don't have an abortion, but don't impose your religious beliefs on the rest of society by force of law.

ItAin'tFree said:
And the left will go to any extreme to kill off as many babies as possible.
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No, that's authoritarian governments like the one in China that forces abortion on women. Authoritarians are much the same the world over, they want to be the ones making decisions for individuals.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Drive on with your failure. LOL.

1.)A private pilot has training and certifications to do the exact same thing commercial pilots do. But they don't have the knowledge or skill as a commercial pilot. Same type relationship between a midwife or nurse and a doctor. The risks to having an abortion are clearly listed in planned parenthood websites. So when problems develop and they do, these people "trained/certified" do not posses the ability to treat or handle an emergency at the same knowledge or skill level as a doctor. But as usual, killing off an evil baby is more important than anything including the mother to those on the left.
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translation: you got nothing

100 FALSE they dont have the HOURS which comes with TRAINING in the medical field, your analogy FAILS.
thank you for proving my point

the MEDICAL COMMUNITY determines the training and certification for these procedures, its the same for both.
You lose to facts again. please continue to show how severely uneducated you are on this topic though, you are cracking us up.
 
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