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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    3.) nope, extra concern isnt needed because people BREAKING THE LAW can happen no matter what they are. Especially based on your example.
    Hey, genius, the state ignored reports of patient death, and had such a lax system of oversight that Nail salons faced bigger legislative hurdles than abortion clinics. So yes, there is a thing such as "ineffective oversight"

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    That would be a stupid thing to think.
    Are you implying that you must have thought it, is that your position then?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    merely citing that they received 'training does not mean it was adequate. Example: Gosnell was subject to state oversight. But how it was leveraged meant such
    weird did i say the training would be a fix all, what you are saying is true for EVERYTHING lol hence meaningless
    ALso theres nothing that says Gospels "training" wasnt adequate he broke the law, his training could have been perfect but he choose to break the law which ANYBODY with ANY amount of training could. SOrry these new goals posts dont work maybe you should try a third set?

    cops, doctors, judges, the president etc. could all decide to ignore thier traingin! Maybe we should shut it all down!!!!! the end is coming!!!!!
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    Re: California's brown signs bill permitting non-physician abortions

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    3.) very very true thats why the education/training for medical procedures/certs is even more intense and thier are even over-site orgs that regulate this stuff which must be followes. WOW thanks for even further proving the facts and making my point

    very good!
    ok, then explain how the oversight, training, and certification process are adequate here. Give me the details of the program that you are apparently privy to and educate me.

    Because surely you wouldn't be making the claim that it was adequate while having a complete absence of information to base that on

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post

    weird did i say the training would be a fix all
    No such thing was suggested. What I pointed out was that merely having something labeled "training" and giving someone a "certification" does not mean either is actually adequate


    ALso theres nothing that says Gospels "training" wasnt adequate
    I didn't cite Gosnell's training. What I did was cite the fact that gosnell was subject to state oversight, but how that oversight was structured meant it was meaningless. Hence, going "but there was oversight", or he was certified" ignores the fact that these are not magical designations that can't be thrown about when discussing oversight, and training that is *Inadequate*
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    Hey, genius, the state ignored reports of patient death, and had such a lax system of oversight that Nail salons faced bigger legislative hurdles than abortion clinics. So yes, there is a thing such as "ineffective oversight"
    thats it get angry lol
    remind me what your story has to do with anything here concerning this bill?
    another deflection another fail, this is hilarious, just keep dodging the facts and getting your OP destoryed!
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    Re: California's brown signs bill permitting non-physician abortions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1.)ok, then explain how the oversight, training, and certification process are adequate here. Give me the details of the program that you are apparently privy to and educate me.

    Because surely you wouldn't be making the claim that it was adequate while having a complete absence of information to base that on
    1.) their rate of success vs failure, are you now arguing you want the whole medical field retrained and re-certified to something of your licking
    2.) another desperate deflection, we were comparing mechanic/certified inspections technician vs medical community. remind me who goes to school longer has to have training and is over seen by federal/state orgs of greater nature

    thanks for playing, another failed post and deflections, please dont stop posting
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post

    No such thing was suggested. What I pointed out was that merely having something labeled "training" and giving someone a "certification" does not mean either is actually adequate




    I didn't cite Gosnell's training. What I did was cite the fact that gosnell was subject to state oversight, but how that oversight was structured meant it was meaningless. Hence, going "but there was oversight", or he was certified" ignores the fact that these are not magical designations that can't be thrown about when discussing oversight, and training that is *Inadequate*
    this is true because with or without perfect training they could still break the law or violate procedure just like a . . . . wait for it . . . . . wiat for it . . . . . DOCTOR!!!!!!! ding ding ding ding
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    remind me what your story has to do with anything here concerning this bill?
    Because it highlights ideological concerns for increasing abortion access can totally trump legitimate concerns for patient safety, even at the state level, to the point that the state actually ignores gross abuses and even multiple patient deaths.

    But I already explained this like two pages back

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    Re: California's brown signs bill permitting non-physician abortions

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) their rate of success vs failure, are you now arguing you want the whole medical field retrained and re-certified to something of your licking
    the bill authorizing this was just passed

    2.) another desperate deflection, we were comparing mechanic/certified inspections technician vs medical community. remind me who goes to school longer has to have training and is over seen by federal/state orgs of greater nature
    You're the one that drew the comparison. I'm the one that highlighted a) you don't drive a BMW, and b) the comparison was stupid

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