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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    Well this thread backfired badly. Hard to believe conservatives would distort "news"...
    Yes, one would think distortion of the news, facts in general, was only under the purview and jurisdiction of liberals, huh?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    you mean the very thing I mentioned in the post you quoted?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062409500

    but again, they do not handle all such medications, besides those with very low risk of complication and safety. So why would I get upset, when it's a point I already brought up?
    Your link was to you asking. I answered. Limitations vary from state to state and mostly cover narcotics. So qualified medical professionals who can do as you ask are still not good enough for you?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1.)No it doesn't. I understand you don't understand why, but your short comings really are not relevent





    you're asserting the FDA is above politics, but they have a long history of being political.
    1.) facts disagree with you, but please continue the tantrum, ranting, incivility and failed insults though its hilarious reading your melt downs.
    2.) nope never made that assertion one time not even close but please fell free to make up more things it further shows you got nothing. The FDA didnt change anything, this legislation is actually allowing the state to more closely follow the rules already in place. The current laws were being MORE strict then the medical field deemed necessary.


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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yes, one would think distortion of the news, facts in general, was only under the purview and jurisdiction of liberals, huh?
    That would be a stupid thing to think.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    an anesthesiologist goes to school and studies anesthesiology and works in conjunction with a physician.
    Ehhh...not really in conjunction. In a lot of hospitals they work independently. There is an anesthesiologist in the building but they don't work in tandem. There is also required additional training for nurse practitioners that would handle first trimester abortions.

    Yes, routine treatments. From my understanding, even medicated abortions carry more risk than a flu shot
    All it takes is training as a midwife and a Nurse practitioner can deliver a baby. We're talking about a .5% rate of series complications for first trimester abortions. That's only slightly higher than complications for child birth
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your link was to you asking. I answered.
    I asked a question, while pointing out individuals like PA have limited ability to perscribe drugs. You answered my question by pointing to the limited ability of PA to perscribe drugs. Hence, it doesn't answer my question, and shows a complete lack of awareness on your end

    Limitations vary from state to state and mostly cover narcotics.
    They also take into consideration safety and risk of complication

    So qualified medical professionals who can do as you ask are still not good enough for you?
    Again, my question was qualified by pointing out that while non-MDs can prescribe drugs, their ability is limited. So how does simply repeating my qualification answer my question? All it does is ignore one of the basic elements of it and supply a non-answer

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Ehhh...not really in conjunction. In a lot of hospitals they work independently. There is an anesthesiologist in the building but they don't work in tandem. There is also required additional training for nurse practitioners that would handle first trimester abortions.
    In what circumstances would an anesthesiologist would be working without a doctor?

    PS they're schooling on the subject is also very specialized and the type of situations they can operate is very limited. In such circumstances that is completely acceptable, because concern is clearly being shown for the potential risk. No one has shown an equal concern here

    There is also required additional training for nurse practitioners that would handle first trimester abortions
    This is written into the bill cited into the OP, or just some general statement that might not even apply here? If it's the former I am ok with that. But after the Gosnell case, I am very skeptical of initiatives that attempt to further access to abortion, witthout explicite measures taken for safety



    All it takes is training as a midwife and a Nurse practitioner can deliver a baby. We're talking about a .5% rate of series complications for first trimester abortions. That's only slightly higher than complications for child birth
    I think the midwife system is completely archaic. So citing it does little to alleviate my concerns here

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I asked a question, while pointing out individuals like PA have limited ability to perscribe drugs. You answered my question by pointing to the limited ability of PA to perscribe drugs. Hence, it doesn't answer my question, and shows a complete lack of awareness on your end



    They also take into consideration safety and risk of complication



    Again, my question was qualified by pointing out that while non-MDs can prescribe drugs, their ability is limited. So how does simply repeating my qualification answer my question? All it does is ignore one of the basic elements of it and supply a non-answer
    nope your question was still 100% answered
    the answer proves your concerns are not only meaningless but are 100% met.

    PAs can give prescriptions, whether or not they have limits is meaningless since this prescription and or procedures falls within their limits. ALso this bill didnt change or impact that fact. The previous law was limiting it but not based on MEDICAL qualifications based.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    PAs can give prescriptions, whether or not they have limits is meaningless since this prescription and or procedures falls within their limits. ALso this bill didnt change or impact that fact. The previous law was limiting it but not based on MEDICAL qualifications based.
    no, the limitations are very key. Hence why I cited them in my post where I asked the question

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    In what circumstances would an anesthesiologist would be working without a doctor?

    PS they're schooling on the subject is also very specialized and the type of situations they can operate is very limited. In such circumstances that is completely acceptable, because concern is clearly being shown for the potential risk. No one has shown an equal concern here



    This is written into the bill cited into the OP, or just some general statement that might not even apply here? If it's the former I am ok with that. But after the Gosnell case, I am very skeptical of initiatives that attempt to further access to abortion, witthout explicite measures taken for safety





    I think the midwife system is completely archaic. So citing it does little to alleviate my concerns here
    not only is it written into the bill and the bill as already been quoted here TWICE and this training referred too THREE times it excised BEFORE the bill.
    no concern needed unless one is concerned the whole medical system is broken regulations, training, certification wise.
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