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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    I have a knack for observing facts
    You have us fooled then.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    You have us fooled then.
    anytime you feel i mislabeled a fact by all me lets me know and bring your own factual proof to the table, id LOVE to read it
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Did I say it makes it more legal? No, I didn't. I said it makes it more likely.
    In the way that more gun ownership makes murder more likely?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes i do and thats meaningless to the discussion and you said "vocational training program."
    PAs do lots of schooling, have degress and do residencies also way beyond what you said.
    SO no your blanket statement has you wrote it was 100% factually wrong destroyed by facts as usual.

    if you would like to back pedal and adjust your statement to be not factually wrong feel free but that wont change the fact the original was based off of ignorance of this topic.
    Yes some nurses can get votech training and they will not be able to do this this.

    2.) again meaningless see above

    3.) also meaningless see above

    4.) which renders the point moot and has not impact to doctors and this is way THEY support it, ill go with them over your meaningless opinion

    5.) because you didnt use them you made a factually wrong blanket statement

    Now before your post continues to fail and your next post is filed with deflections and lies, stop. THis conversation will go no further until you admit the facts


    ... PA and NPs require DEGREES
    CNMs are the only one that get votech
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    I just wanted to clarify that a CNM gets a certified degree in nursing and then schooling in midwifery besides the votech training to become a midwife.

    A CNM must assist in certain number of normal delivery's ( usually 50 or more ) plus some complicated delivery's before they get the midwife part of their degree.

    It is akin to the intern part of a MDs training.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In the way that more gun ownership makes murder more likely?
    If you'd like to look at it that way, sure.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No that is just how progressives use language... Progressives will NEVER call an idea what it is - they will throw a positive spin on concepts using friendly trigger words like "increased access to abortions"

    You fool no one with your language...
    In what way is a Nurse practitioner (Medical Professional) performing an abortion in only certain circumstances (first trimester) a back alley abortion?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    In what way is a Nurse practitioner (Medical Professional) performing an abortion in only certain circumstances (first trimester) a back alley abortion?
    It's not, of course, but if you're an authoritarian masquerading as a conservative and wanting to give the choice of carrying a fetus to term to the government rather than the mother, then you'll grasp at any sorts of straws and repeat whatever talking points support your point of view.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's not, of course, but if you're an authoritarian masquerading as a conservative and wanting to give the choice of carrying a fetus to term to the government rather than the mother, then you'll grasp at any sorts of straws and repeat whatever talking points support your point of view.
    well, there is certainly a place for the personhood debate here (despite what both sides want to believe, there is hardly a philosophical, ethical, or scientific consensus on the topic). But clearly calling this "back alley abortions" moves well beyond that point of disagreement and all the caveats it should carry

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I just wanted to clarify that a CNM gets a certified degree in nursing and then schooling in midwifery besides the votech training to become a midwife.

    A CNM must assist in certain number of normal delivery's ( usually 50 or more ) plus some complicated delivery's before they get the midwife part of their degree.

    It is akin to the intern part of a MDs training.
    thanks mini
    basically meaning the strawman dishonesty worry about saftey and qualifications is even more stupid based on nothing logical, factual or rational.
    No MEDICAL standards are compromised.
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