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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) sorry thats factually incorrect since most "nurses" get medical/science degrees themselves depending on the type of nurse, some require much more than vocational training program.
    1) lol, you do understand that a medical degree takes longer, has residency requirements, and that medical school is more difficult to actually get into? So no, it's not "factually incorrect". it's factually correct.

    2) I wrote "can invest", not "do invest" as in, while not all nurses invest as little training as a multiple month long vocational training program, they can. Which serves as a stark contrast to the minimal amount a doctor needs to invest, which is about ten years (which doesn't even get into the rigorous acceptance standards for medical school and the effort needed in maintaining a high GPA in lower education and their UG school)

    Do you really need me to explain how a few months is less than 10 years?


    Wow thats offensive/ignorant too. But thats meaningless since people are trained for the task at hand like EVERY field, nothing is different here.
    1) Yes, there is a clear difference: the degree of training and education, and the degree of time invested.

    2) I am unsure how facts can be offensive

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    1) lol, you do understand that a medical degree takes longer, has residency requirements, and that medical school is more difficult to actually get into? So no, it's not "factually incorrect". it's factually correct.

    2) I wrote "can invest", not "do invest" as in, while not all nurses invest as little training as a multiple month long vocational training program, they can. Which serves as a stark contrast to the minimal amount a doctor needs to invest, which is about ten years (which doesn't even get into the rigorous acceptance standards for medical school and the effort needed in maintaining a high GPA in lower education and their UG school)

    3.)Do you really need me to explain how a few months is less than 10 years?




    4) Yes, there is a clear difference: the degree of training and education, and the degree of time invested.

    5) I am unsure how facts can be offensive
    1.) yes i do and thats meaningless to the discussion and you said "vocational training program."
    PAs do lots of schooling, have degress and do residencies also way beyond what you said.
    SO no your blanket statement has you wrote it was 100% factually wrong destroyed by facts as usual.

    if you would like to back pedal and adjust your statement to be not factually wrong feel free but that wont change the fact the original was based off of ignorance of this topic.
    Yes some nurses can get votech training and they will not be able to do this this.

    2.) again meaningless see above

    3.) also meaningless see above

    4.) which renders the point moot and has not impact to doctors and this is way THEY support it, ill go with them over your meaningless opinion

    5.) because you didnt use them you made a factually wrong blanket statement

    Now before your post continues to fail and your next post is filed with deflections and lies, stop. THis conversation will go no further until you admit the facts

    This blanket statement is factually not true for most "nurses" especially the majority of ones in the discussion at hand

    doctors invest a substantial part of their lives pursuing a medical degree, ensuring that they can get into medical school, and then competing for a good residency. On the other hand, a nurse can invest little more than a few months at a vocational training program.

    can PA and NPs require DEGREES
    CNMs are the only one that get votech

    what a doctor does is ABOVE whats needed to do these specific abortions thats way they dont lose out and the support this effort,

    Brain surgeons arent hurt by somebody else doing the urinary catheter
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes i do and thats meaningless to the discussion
    1) you just wrote "sorry thats factually incorrect since most "nurses" get medical/science degrees themselves" in response to me highl;ighting the disparity between the time invested in training for the two programs ...

    2) I just covered this: I wrote "can invest", not "do invest". That in contrast to a doctor who at minimum needs to directly invest ten years of schooling and training to
    his degree, a nurse can get by with a minimum of a few months in a vocational program


    if you would like to back pedal
    No, backpedaling would be changing my argument, not highlighting how your rather bizarre interpretation and reading of it was obviously wrong


    PAs do lots of schooling, have degrees and do residencies also way beyond what you said
    Again, your objection is addressed by very simple points

    1) that I never claimed Physician assistants do none of these things.

    2) that their education programs and residency requirements are not as demanding and and rigorous as physicians. Hence why they are "physician assistants", and not "physicians"


    what a doctor does is ABOVE whats needed to do these specific abortions thats way they dont lose out and the support this effort
    I was clear about that being a possibility a few pages back. But that is irrelevant to what you are arguing: that doctors do not invest more than PA's and nurses into gaining their professional credentials

    Second, something being possible does not establish it as fact

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) you just wrote "sorry thats factually incorrect since most "nurses" get medical/science degrees themselves" in response to me highl;ighting the disparity between the time invested in training for the two programs ...

    2) I just covered this: I wrote "can invest", not "do invest". That in contrast to a doctor who at minimum needs to directly invest ten years of schooling and training to
    his degree, a nurse can get by with a minimum of a few months in a vocational program




    No, backpedaling would be changing my argument, not highlighting how your rather bizarre interpretation and reading of it was obviously wrong




    Again, your objection is addressed by very simple points

    1) that I never claimed Physician assistants do none of these things.

    2) that their education programs and residency requirements are not as demanding and and rigorous as physicians. Hence why they are "physician assistants", and not "physicians"




    I was clear about that being a possibility a few pages back. But that is irrelevant to what you are arguing: that doctors do not invest more than PA's and nurses into gaining their professional credentials

    Second, something being possible does not establish it as fact
    thats what i thought, double talk, failed insults, deflections and facts still prove your failed blanket statment wrong
    when you are ready to admit that the conversation can continue
    Doctors and facts disagree with you and prove you wrong
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thats what i thought, double talk, failed insults, deflections and facts still prove your failed blanket statment wrong
    when you are ready to admit that the conversation can continue
    Doctors and facts disagree with you and prove you wrong
    uhm, I just directly addressed what you wrote. You, on the other hand, are, again, making empty and unspecific declarations.

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    uhm, I just directly addressed what you wrote. You, on the other hand, are, again, making empty and unspecific declarations.
    its funny that you ever think id believe the lies you post
    keep deflecting facts still prove your failed blanket statment wrong
    when you are ready to admit that the conversation can continue
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its funny that you ever think id believe the lies you post
    keep deflecting facts still prove your failed blanket statment wrong
    when you are ready to admit that the conversation can continue
    Doctors and facts disagree with you and prove you wrong
    cool, I'm glad we could resolve this impass

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    cool, I'm glad we could resolve this impass
    your impass will be here until you make honest posts
    keep deflecting facts still prove your failed blanket statment wrong
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    your impass will be here until you make honest posts
    keep deflecting facts still prove your failed blanket statment wrong
    when you are ready to admit that the conversation can continue
    Doctors and facts disagree with you and prove you wrong
    That is a very interesting observation. I will take it under consideration

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    That is a very interesting observation. I will take it under consideration
    Concession noted.
    I have a knack for observing facts and im always willing to help with failing, inaccurate, factually wrong and or dishonest posts!
    WHen you are ready to stay on topic let me know.
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