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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Which means it is the state that sets the standards for when and where an abortion can be performed. This is the part you are missing. Whether or not the FDA has approved medicines for that procedure is irrelevant to who governs the procedure.
    100% false as already proven, the FDA could do something tomorrow and the state would have to abide and could totally destroy this bill. like i said you and post 199 is factually wrong.
    nothing as changed no matter how much you try to deflect, post 199 is factually wrong.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, obviously the fda not approving a drug means people will not be able to prescribe it, but that would be a rather nebulous point if we were discussing the delivery of medical care here. Which we are ...
    and nothing changes the FDA could do something that kills that bill tomorrow and all your original points are still complete failures
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You keep citing the fact as if it undermines our arguments ...
    nope thats what you keep making up in your mind, this is common for you
    you "arguments" are undermined by the fact that destroy them
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% false as already proven, the FDA could do something tomorrow and the state would have to abide and could totally destroy this bill. like i said you and post 199 is factually wrong.
    nothing as changed no matter how much you try to deflect, post 199 is factually wrong.
    You're just completely wrong here. Factually.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    1.)No
    2.) it lessens state requirements on the performance of an abortion, as it is state law that governs the procedure, not the FDA.
    3.) What "medical/science orgs"?
    4.)All this means is that the state has removed the state's restrictions on abortion.
    5.)No-one claimed anything new was created.
    6.) What is claimed, and is true, is that California has lessened restrictions on abortion.
    7.)Allowing anyone other than an MD to perform medical procedures is increasing the risk in that procedure...not improving it.
    1.) yes
    2.) state requirements are meaningless and not based on medical/science community. I only care about medical standards as do people who need medical care.
    3.) the many listed in this thread, find it
    4.) correcting allowing the medical community to do its job and not get in the way of that
    5,) actually you did would you like me to quote you, why do you lie so much?
    6.) yes STATE restrictions on medical care which is meaningless cause it wasnt based on medicine/science
    7.) false on the topic we are talking about here says the studies already done and link in this this thread and the medical/science community

    care for specific first trimester abortions are now not being interrupted and its a procedures factually safer than giving birth itself, weird though i dont see you posting about that which further exposes your biased.

    unless of course you are saying you want this law reinstated and it to also apply to medical works delivering a baby?

    please continue exposing your biased because its highly entertaining
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Indeed. You can argue that the extra precaution is unnecessary or overly burdensome, like I stated in my first few posts. But what you can't do is equate the same level of proficiency and training (safety) between doctors and PA, NP, MW, RN, etc
    of course you can for this topic since studies prove it and we are talking procedures factually more safe than giving birth.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% false as already proven, the FDA could do something tomorrow and the state would have to abide and could totally destroy this bill. like i said you and post 199 is factually wrong.
    nothing as changed no matter how much you try to deflect, post 199 is factually wrong.
    again, no one is disagreeing that the FDA has authority over approval and scheduling. Administering them is something that falls understate control though, through the state health board

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Exactly, and I am pessimistic enough to know that some people will jump at the chance to make a buck here, with the minimum required training. I see some "enterprising" RNs viewing a few power-points, taking a test, and becoming licensed to perform abortions.
    just like those same people do for delivering babies too right? something with more risks then the procedures begin discussed.
    but i bet you think thats ok lol
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and nothing changes the FDA could do something that kills that bill tomorrow and all your original points are still complete failures
    but you claimed the FDA over saw administration of these pharmaceuticals in the relationship between a doctor and patient. That was wrong. Now your citing a point no one disagreed with and that doesn't change the nature of your error on the former

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You will notice most people started defending this on the basis on any doubt was fueled by an interest in restricting abortions, and this continued regardless how much anyone stressed the issue of patient safety. So clearly concern about ideology trumping legitimate safety issues are more than warranted
    thats because the argument of patient safety has been proven a failure

    this doesn't make these procedures less safe and since giving birth is a higher risk then this procedure its double loss

    what i notice is people crying about this and trying to use the transparent dishonest cover of safety but yet no one is worried about who is allowed to help with giving birth, something with more risk.
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