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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    EXACTLY!

    yes which the FDA most certainly can effect in many cases but FACTUALLY this one, thanks for seeing that facts
    Yes, obviously the fda not approving a drug means people will not be able to prescribe it, but that would be a rather nebulous point if we were discussing the delivery of medical care here. Which we are ...

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    1.) weird i never made that claim either, thanks again captain obvious
    You keep citing the fact as if it undermines our arguments ...

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes this is true, i already said the state can go in one direction against the FDA
    No, they actively regulate different areas. One is drug approval, the other is the delivery of care

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    We are not discussing the approval and regulation oif drugs in general. We are discussing the use of drugs *within* medical care. There is an important distinction there that you will likely be incapable of grasping
    go figure

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    just gonna post some facts and ill get back to destroying all the lies and nonsensical deflections later when im board


    what this bill does is it stops older law from adding EXTRA and SPECIAL restrictions based on NOTHING medical or science backed.

    now the state is using the exact or close to same standards/regulations the the medical/science orgs use/recommend

    this will now allow more access to regulated health care for people that need it with out illogical state regulation in the way.

    Nothing new was created medical or science wise, no medical/science standards have been side stepped just simply allowing the medical community to do its job under the same medical standards it has been.

    the few denying this lost to the facts/links presented in the thread

    THIS makes me and may people who like medical care and access to it very happy and it will help many people who need it, it obviously hurts a few peoples feelings and that is amusing.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes this is true, i already said the state can go in one direction against the FDA and not the other, i said it about 5 times with examples shall i qoute on of them? I said they can add to the restricitions but cant go less then them.

    get it?

    thank you for the continued entertainment and fails.
    Which means it is the state that sets the standards for when and where an abortion can be performed. This is the part you are missing. Whether or not the FDA has approved medicines for that procedure is irrelevant to who governs the procedure.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    just gonna post some facts and ill get back to destroying all the lies and nonsensical deflections later when im board


    what this bill does is it stops older law from adding EXTRA and SPECIAL restrictions based on NOTHING medical or science backed.
    No, it lessens state requirements on the performance of an abortion, as it is state law that governs the procedure, not the FDA.

    now the state is using the exact or close to same standards/regulations the the medical/science orgs use/recommend
    What "medical/science orgs"?

    this will now allow more access to regulated health care for people that need it with out illogical state regulation in the way.
    All this means is that the state has removed the state's restrictions on abortion.

    Nothing new was created medical or science wise, no medical/science standards have been side stepped just simply allowing the medical community to do its job under the same medical standards it has been.
    No-one claimed anything new was created. What is claimed, and is true, is that California has lessened restrictions on abortion.

    the few denying this lost to the facts/links presented in the thread

    THIS makes me and may people who like medical care and access to it very happy and it will help many people who need it, it obviously hurts a few peoples feelings and that is amusing.
    Allowing anyone other than an MD to perform medical procedures is increasing the risk in that procedure...not improving it.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Allowing anyone other than an MD to perform medical procedures is increasing the risk in that procedure...not improving it.
    Indeed. You can argue that the extra precaution is unnecessary or overly burdensome, like I stated in my first few posts. But what you can't do is equate the same level of proficiency and training (safety) between doctors and PA, NP, MW, RN, etc

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Indeed. You can argue that the extra precaution is unnecessary or overly burdensome, like I stated in my first few posts. But what you can't do is equate the same level of proficiency and training (safety) between doctors and PA, NP, MW, RN, etc
    Exactly, and I am pessimistic enough to know that some people will jump at the chance to make a buck here, with the minimum required training. I see some "enterprising" RNs viewing a few power-points, taking a test, and becoming licensed to perform abortions.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Exactly, and I am pessimistic enough to know that some people will jump at the chance to make a buck here, with the minimum required training. I see some "enterprising" RNs viewing a few power-points, taking a test, and becoming licensed to perform abortions.
    You will notice most people started defending this on the basis on any doubt was fueled by an interest in restricting abortions, and this continued regardless how much anyone stressed the issue of patient safety. So clearly concern about ideology trumping legitimate safety issues are more than warranted

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