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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) what "standards" made up by who and practiced where? this is why you are wrong
    the standards are made by the FDA, those are the medical and scientific standards. removing the OLD law allows cali to use the medical and scientific standards
    whats that mean? cali itself didnt create ANYTHING, the standards were already there
    The standards are set by the state. Whether an abortion has to be performed in a surgically certified facility or in a gas station is up to the state. Whether it must be performed by a Medical Doctor or a licensed Nurse is up to the state. These are the standards that were lessened in California. This is where you are wrong.

    2.) nope not wrong i said your OP, op stands for original post and since i said yours that means post 199, i didnt say THE OP.
    your op, post 199 is factual wrong, along with other posts of your now and this fact will not change
    It wasn't my original post. You are factually wrong.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes like the FDA which was being talked about if my whole post was qouted, thanks captain obvious
    the FDA doesn't establish regulations in the area though. That is clearly the function of state law

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    facts defeat you again, as always thanks for playing, also PLEASE keep posting so i can keep destroying each of your posts.
    You lied, your posts failed and you have been factually wrong.
    above you claimed "also as far as your other stupid request its in here already, i posted it and someone else did to where it mentioned these this type of training is already in their scope."

    if it was already "within their scope" they would not need additional certification and training, as is clearly outlined within the bill

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    1.)The standards are set by the state.
    2.)Whether an abortion has to be performed in a surgically certified facility or in a gas station is up to the state.
    3.) Whether it must be performed by a Medical Doctor or a licensed Nurse is up to the state.
    4.) These are the standards that were lessened in California. This is where you are wrong.
    5.) It wasn't my original post. You are factually wrong.
    1.) 100% false they can only set additional standards but they can not trump the FDA in the wrong direction. FOr example FDA determines BC cause death, Cali doesnt just get to sell it on store shelves nets to bubble gum.
    2.) also false see above especial when talking first trimester and if its only done with a pill
    3.) also false, see above
    4.) nope see above again.

    please tell me why the bill simple mentions and the articles and the verbiage of the legislators talking about the how this bill allows Cali to use standards already in place then?
    5.) yes it was for our conversation lol it was factually your original post i addressed for this conversation

    lets reflect on the facts..
    Post 199 is 100% factually wrong, this isnt going to change but please keep up the deflections they entertain me
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    the FDA doesn't establish regulations in the area though. That is clearly the function of state law
    are you telling me if the FDA deems a drug unsafe tomorrow and kills people the state can just sell it on store shelves next to bubble gum if it chooses and nothing happens?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    above you claimed "also as far as your other stupid request its in here already, i posted it and someone else did to where it mentioned these this type of training is already in their scope."

    if it was already "within their scope" they would not need additional certification and training, as is clearly outlined within the bill
    yes this is true but like government they do stupid things to double down anyway, this is common and means nothing to the facts or discussion.

    Just like the gay marriage example already given, its waste of time stuff for paranoid mentally retarded conspiracy nuts.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) 100% false they can only set additional standards but they can not trump the FDA in the wrong direction. FOr example FDA determines BC cause death, Cali doesnt just get to sell it on store shelves nets to bubble gum.
    Yes, the FDA regulates drugs, not medical care. We are talking about medical care that involves drugs. Different animals

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    are you telling me if the FDA deems a drug unsafe tomorrow and kills people the state can just sell it on store shelves next to bubble gum if it chooses and nothing happens?
    We are not discussing the approval and regulation oif drugs in general. We are discussing the use of drugs *within* medical care. There is an important distinction there that you will likely be incapable of grasping

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) 100% false they can only set additional standards but they can not trump the FDA in the wrong direction. FOr example FDA determines BC cause death, Cali doesnt just get to sell it on store shelves nets to bubble gum.
    2.) also false see above especial when talking first trimester and if its only done with a pill
    3.) also false, see above
    4.) nope see above again.

    please tell me why the bill simple mentions and the articles and the verbiage of the legislators talking about the how this bill allows Cali to use standards already in place then?
    5.) yes it was for our conversation lol it was factually your original post i addressed for this conversation

    lets reflect on the facts..
    Post 199 is 100% factually wrong, this isnt going to change but please keep up the deflections they entertain me
    You really are very confused as to the FDA's role, here. Very.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    We are not discussing the approval and regulation oif drugs in general. We are discussing the use of drugs *within* medical care. There is an important distinction there that you will likely be incapable of grasping
    Very likely.
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