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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Is that your problem with them? Women making decisions about women instead of men making them?
    A woman's decision to complete the acts necessary to become pregnant wasn't made by just her. Somewhere along the line a man had to be part of the decision making process. So it is completely unreasonable for her to be allowed to make a decision to murder the mans child on her own. The man is just as much responsible for her pregnancy as she is. And any court of law will verify that. Men are required to pay child support (as they should be) for their part of the decision making process that resulted in a woman's pregnancy.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    ?..

    ...if a fail safe system were devised to totally prevent unwanted pregnancy in the future, ... could one deign to perceive that there may, indeed, be an elimination of abortion altogether?

    Just saying...
    Will rape be eliminated ?

    Will all pregnancies be complication free with no risk to the woman's long term health or life?

    Will all serious fetal abnormalities be eliminated?

    I would also love to live in a perfect world be we are nowhere near being there.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    that is completely irrelevant to the point under discussion here
    Right, since no one brought up the issue of increasing abortions or anything like that.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Funny. You are the one brining religion into this topic.
    Your opinion that abortion is "killing babies" is not a religious one? Really?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Sorry, but just a personal pet peeve of mine with people using absolutes that, in most cases, are incorrect. I understand your point, but the absolute makes it unlikely to actually be provable truth.

    So, should the sun suddenly burn out, or if man killed off all life on the planet, or more probably, if a fail safe system were devised to totally prevent unwanted pregnancy in the future, under none of those conditions could one deign to perceive that there may, indeed, be an elimination of abortion altogether?

    Just saying...
    In that case, you're right. Abortions would be ended with the end of the human race. What I should have said was that outlawing abortions is not going to end the practice.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Your opinion that abortion is "killing babies" is not a religious one? Really?
    Correct. Except for weddings and funerals, I haven't been to church in 40+ years. But I am a hard core believer in the Constitution of the US and am very supportive of religious freedoms and rights.

    Religion can be a guide for morals but it's not the only guide. Leftists make so many mistakes, assuming religion always has something to do with preventing murder of babies is just one of them.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Correct. Except for weddings and funerals, I haven't been to church in 40+ years. But I am a hard core believer in the Constitution of the US and am very supportive of religious freedoms and rights.

    Religion can be a guide for morals but it's not the only guide. Leftists make so many mistakes, assuming religion always has something to do with preventing murder of babies is just one of them.
    OK, fair enough. So, if abortion is "murder of babies", how is it to be prevented?
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, fair enough. So, if abortion is "murder of babies", how is it to be prevented?
    The huge step forward would be outlawing abortion.

    Lessor steps but very important ones would be weaning people off welfare, food stamps and government healthcare for nothing. That would need to be coupled with finally getting serious about stopping illegal immigration. America has proven that most people can take care of themselves just fine. We just started getting away from it during FDR's disaster of a Presidency.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, fair enough. So, if abortion is "murder of babies", how is it to be prevented?
    Preventing unwanted pregnancies.

    We have already had outlawed abortions. Didn't work.

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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    The huge step forward would be outlawing abortion.
    which would work about as well as outlawing pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Lessor steps but very important ones would be weaning people off welfare, food stamps and government healthcare for nothing.
    Doesn't the welfare state encourage poor people to have children by providing more money for those children? Ending it is something that needs to be done for economic reasons, but to end abortion? I think that might be counterproductive.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    That would need to be coupled with finally getting serious about stopping illegal immigration. America has proven that most people can take care of themselves just fine. We just started getting away from it during FDR's disaster of a Presidency.
    Now, there's a dukes mixture of ideas. Is FDR actually responsible for illegal immigration? Do illegal aliens have more abortions than citizens born here?

    There must be a law somewhere that, for any issue, there is some way to blame illegal immigration.
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