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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    First of all, HE is dead.
    I actually completely forgot, thanks for reminding me. The point still stands about the site, though.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well you just further proved you have no clue what you are talking about, the people allowed to do this all have the training and are licensed to do so. FAIL
    LOL. Yep, a person can get a private pilots license and have a very basic, limited knowledge about flying. But there's a common sense reason why they don't let those people fly commercially. It wouldn't be safe for anybody.

    LOL. So continue to fail as everyone knows you will.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    1.)LOL. Yep, a person can get a private pilots license and have a very basic, limited knowledge about flying. But there's a common sense reason why they don't let those people fly commercially. It wouldn't be safe for anybody.

    2.)LOL. So continue to fail as everyone knows you will.
    1.) fail because as with this theres regulations and procedures/training one gets and all these people allowed to give THIS medicine and do THIS procedure already have the training/certifications.
    first the medical community already requires it and this bill doubles down on it and makes it illegal not too have it.

    2.) nope facts proved you wrong and destroyed your failed post/analogy again

    wow thanks for making that easy

    please continue to show how severely uneducated you are on this topic though, you are cracking us up.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

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    First of all, Breitbart didn't write the article, he died [RIP] back in 2012. The article was written by Joel Pollak. For another thing, cited in the article was this Sacramento Bee piece

    Another View: Abortion access bill is misleading and unnecessary - Viewpoints - The Sacramento Bee


    "What is the real motive behind AB 154?

    The University of San Francisco Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health study the authors cite as demonstrating that lower-level clinicians can safely perform surgical abortions specifically targets “low-income and minority women” for increased “access” to abortion. Since Medi-Cal pays for abortion, clinics have a financial incentive to expand abortions in poor neighborhoods. It also cites the Affordable Care Act, which will vastly expand the number of people on Medi-Cal. Abortion providers hope to tap this new market by expanding the number of clinicians and clinics that can provide surgical abortions.

    Meanwhile, the abortion industry is thriving. According to 2010 tax records, nine “nonprofit” Planned Parenthood affiliates in California spent $1.8 million on lobbying alone. "


    So, yes, everyone has their opinions, along with you and yours...and if you think Pro lifers are ONLY looking out for children and not looking out these mainly young and manipulated women, well...speaking of opinions, IMO, what they say about opinions certainly applies in spades to yours in this case...
    Poor women are less capable of making a decision on abortion? That's what I got out of this article. Who is manipulating them? If anything, this increased competition will serve to protect these women more. Yeah people will benefit from liberalizing these laws, people always make money off of liberalizing laws. Look, if you are against abortion being made more available, because you see it as morally objectionable, I take no issue with that. I would generally disagree, but I see your point. This talk about "protecting women" on the other hand is ridiculous, unnecessary (yes abortions have risks attached to them, but so do all medical procedures), and very condescending. These "mental health issues" are also in the same vein. You don't think that the vast majority of women who obtain abortions don't think about the pain of what they're doing? Nobody wants to need an abortion. Everyone agrees that they suck, but these implications that women can't make this decision themselves really irks me.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) fail because as with this theres regulations and procedures/training one gets and all these people allowed to give THIS medicine and do THIS procedure already have the training/certifications.

    2.) nope facts proved you wrong and destroyed your failed post/analogy again

    wow thanks for making that easy

    please continue to show how severely uneducated you are on this topic though, you are cracking us up.
    Drive on with your failure. LOL.

    A private pilot has training and certifications to do the exact same thing commercial pilots do. But they don't have the knowledge or skill as a commercial pilot. Same type relationship between a midwife or nurse and a doctor. The risks to having an abortion are clearly listed in planned parenthood websites. So when problems develop and they do, these people "trained/certified" do not posses the ability to treat or handle an emergency at the same knowledge or skill level as a doctor. But as usual, killing off an evil baby is more important than anything including the mother to those on the left.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Nonsense.

    Being a free market type person doesn't mean you should be an advocate for a product or procedure that is going to result in deliberate certain death for one human and possibly the death of another.

    And a person can certainly be against the murder of unborn children and still be concerned about a woman's health.

    So I'll talk about both with no concerns to what you think I should or should not talk about..
    I'm not saying that you can't be against abortion for other reasons, but these restrictions are onerous and have almost no effect on safety that wouldn't be more than compensated for by increased competition. I take issue with the claim that many of these restrictive abortion laws protect women's health. They arbitrarily target this one medical procedure. The people that call for these laws more often than not would call similar restrictions on other medical procedures onerous and unnecessary.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Drive on with your failure. LOL.

    A private pilot has training and certifications to do the exact same thing commercial pilots do. But they don't have the knowledge or skill as a commercial pilot. Same type relationship between a midwife or nurse and a doctor. The risks to having an abortion are clearly listed in planned parenthood websites. So when problems develop and they do, these people "trained/certified" do not posses the ability to treat or handle an emergency at the same knowledge or skill level as a doctor. But as usual, killing off an evil baby is more important than anything including the mother to those on the left.
    And to the authoritarian right, the ones who make mouth noises about limited government, but want that same government to make the decision for the women about whether to carry a fetus to term, it's all about finding any possible way to make abortion into "killing babies" and turning anything that makes it easier into some evil plot against women.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And to the authoritarian right, the ones who make mouth noises about limited government, but want that same government to make the decision for the women about whether to carry a fetus to term, it's all about finding any possible way to make abortion into "killing babies" and turning anything that makes it easier into some evil plot against women.
    That's because abortion is about killing babies. No getting around it. And the left will go to any extreme to kill off as many babies as possible.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    That's because abortion is about killing babies. No getting around it.


    That's your opinion, and it is opinion only. If you believe that life begins at conception, then by all means, don't have an abortion, but don't impose your religious beliefs on the rest of society by force of law.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    And the left will go to any extreme to kill off as many babies as possible.

    No, that's authoritarian governments like the one in China that forces abortion on women. Authoritarians are much the same the world over, they want to be the ones making decisions for individuals.
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    Re: Liberals war on women takes big advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Drive on with your failure. LOL.

    1.)A private pilot has training and certifications to do the exact same thing commercial pilots do. But they don't have the knowledge or skill as a commercial pilot. Same type relationship between a midwife or nurse and a doctor. The risks to having an abortion are clearly listed in planned parenthood websites. So when problems develop and they do, these people "trained/certified" do not posses the ability to treat or handle an emergency at the same knowledge or skill level as a doctor. But as usual, killing off an evil baby is more important than anything including the mother to those on the left.
    translation: you got nothing

    100 FALSE they dont have the HOURS which comes with TRAINING in the medical field, your analogy FAILS.
    thank you for proving my point

    the MEDICAL COMMUNITY determines the training and certification for these procedures, its the same for both.
    You lose to facts again. please continue to show how severely uneducated you are on this topic though, you are cracking us up.
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