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    White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info

    White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info | The Daily Caller

    Top Internal Revenue Service Obamacare official Sarah Hall Ingram discussed confidential taxpayer information with senior Obama White House officials, according to 2012 emails obtained by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and provided to The Daily Caller.

    Lois Lerner, then head of the IRS Tax Exempt Organizations division, also received an email alongside White House officials that contained confidential information.

    Ingram attempted to counsel the White House on a lawsuit from religious organizations opposing Obamacare’s contraception mandate. Email exchanges involving Ingram and White House officials — including White House health policy advisor Ellen Montz and deputy assistant to the president for health policy Jeanne Lambrew — contained confidential taxpayer information, according to Oversight.

    Hmmmm, soooo it appears someone broke some key rules. Looks like this is popping up again. What should be done about this?

    IRS released confidential info on conservative groups to ProPublica
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    Re: White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hmmmm, soooo it appears someone broke some key rules. Looks like this is popping up again. What should be done about this?
    Here is what we know:

    • The e-mails were just a serious of questions, regarding what kind of organizations should file 990s and which are exempt from filing 990s, and their answers. Identities of schools and church controlled organizations were included in these questions and answers as examples.
    • Someone emailed Ellen Montz (White House policy assistant) these questions.
    • The questions were forwarded by Ellen to Catherine Livingston (IRS legal counsel) and Sarah Ingram (IRS Director) with Jeanne Lambrew (Deputy Director Of White House Office Of Health Reform) copied.
    • David Fish (Director of Exempt Organizations Guidance), Lois Lerner (Director of IRS Tax Exempt Organizations), Karen Marks (Associate Chief Counsel of Tax Exempt and Government Entities), and Virginia Richardson (Tax Law Specialist of IRS Exempt Organizations Division) were included later.


    Here is what we don't know:

    • Who sent the original e-mail to Ellen Montz.
    • Why whoever the original sender was wanted to know which organizations should file 990s and which organizations were exempt.


    Disclosure law is very lengthy and complicated. The criteria for proper disclosure depends entirely on who is asking, what they are asking for, and why they are asking. Without knowing the who or why; its impossible to say whether or not using real identities, as examples of which organizations should file 990s and which are exempt, violated disclosure law. Either way you slice it, the discussion itself is innocuous.

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    Re: White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Here is what we know:

    • The e-mails were just a serious of questions, regarding what kind of organizations should file 990s and which are exempt from filing 990s, and their answers. Identities of schools and church controlled organizations were included in these questions and answers as examples.
    • Someone emailed Ellen Montz (White House policy assistant) these questions.
    • The questions were forwarded by Ellen to Catherine Livingston (IRS legal counsel) and Sarah Ingram (IRS Director) with Jeanne Lambrew (Deputy Director Of White House Office Of Health Reform) copied.
    • David Fish (Director of Exempt Organizations Guidance), Lois Lerner (Director of IRS Tax Exempt Organizations), Karen Marks (Associate Chief Counsel of Tax Exempt and Government Entities), and Virginia Richardson (Tax Law Specialist of IRS Exempt Organizations Division) were included later.


    Here is what we don't know:

    • Who sent the original e-mail to Ellen Montz.
    • Why whoever the original sender was wanted to know which organizations should file 990s and which organizations were exempt.


    Disclosure law is very lengthy and complicated. The criteria for proper disclosure depends entirely on who is asking, what they are asking for, and why they are asking. Without knowing the who or why; its impossible to say whether or not using real identities, as examples of which organizations should file 990s and which are exempt, violated disclosure law. Either way you slice it, the discussion itself is innocuous.
    It's government email, there is no way not to know who.
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    Re: White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info

    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

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    Re: White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's government email, there is no way not to know who.
    You're going to need something more specific than 'the government' to establish that any laws were broken.

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    Re: White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    You're going to need something more specific than 'the government' to establish that any laws were broken.
    You misunderstanding what I wrote isn't my concern.
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    Re: White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    White House, IRS exchanged confidential taxpayer info | The Daily Caller




    Hmmmm, soooo it appears someone broke some key rules. Looks like this is popping up again. What should be done about this?

    IRS released confidential info on conservative groups to ProPublica
    Institute a nationwide Flat Tax applicable to ALL individuals which have an income, including all churches and corporations/businesses. No more subsidies, no more loopholes, no more tax exemptions, no more giving back of money to people period.

    Then we base our spending for the rest of the year on that never allowing more than that. If we can't pay for it right then and there then we don't need it or something needs to be cut back to accommodate.
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