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Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown[W:181]

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Redress said:
snopes.com: Catholic Services in Jeopardy During Government Shutdown

Not surprisingly, you are lying or badly misinformed. The Antideficiency Act makes it illegal for federal workers to perform their job duties during a shutdown except in certain specific circumstances, even on a voluntary basis. The law was passed in 1870. So unless you are going to suggest that Obama is really over 140 years old you have no point. And since we all know you would be first in line to bitch if you felt Obama was not obeying the law, this all falls apart as just another example of the right wing blogosphere stupidity.
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Laws and rationality have no place in the "Obama is the root of all evil" universe.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Ah, the republicans. Yea, sure. Who is president? Who said to make it hurt? Who wont negotiate? Yea, its the republicans. Pffffft
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Who won't have a vote on a clean resolution so we can get over this? Until boehner gives up the hostage he has it in his possession. This is terrorist tactics 101.
 
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rocket88 said:
Laws and rationality have no place in the "Obama is the root of all evil" universe.
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God and country. Not country and God.
 
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rocket88 said:
Laws and rationality have no place in the "Obama is the root of all evil" universe.
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Why did Obama and Hagel deny the families of military KIA their benefits and access to funerals?

tererun said:
Who won't have a vote on a clean resolution so we can get over this? Until boehner gives up the hostage he has it in his possession. This is terrorist tactics 101.
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Stop with the "clean resolution" propaganda speak

Obama doesn't get a blank check. Obamacare is already crashing and burning. All Americans deserve a permanent exemption. Not just Obama's cronies and corporate pals
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Typical of a religion haters view of things.
We ask people in the service to give years of their lives and may need to put said lives at risk, yet lets jerk them around over issues of faith.
Welcome to 2013 I guess.
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I am a) not a "religion hater" since I have plenty of people in my own life who are very religious, and b) I am one of those servicemembers. And in fact, during my time in service, I had to watch some of my friends fight to use time in our ship's chapel for their own religious services, without any support of clergy, since the military only recently recognized their religion as "valid". So, while I feel sympathy for those few who may be inconvenienced by this, I also understand rather well how the military actually works.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Its an opportunity for Obama to let the nation know what he really feels about our vets. Thats what its all about.
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It is apparently an opportunity for certain political partisans to tell us how they think the President feels about our vets, without any real proof, only baseless accusations.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
God and country. Not country and God.
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There is no "God" in the running of our country. We are secular, whether some wish that or not.

God is a personal value, not a legal one.
 
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roguenuke said:
There is no "God" in the running of our country. We are secular, whether some wish that or not.

God is a personal value, not a legal one.
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The Founders of this country would disagree
 
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roguenuke said:
It is apparently an opportunity for certain political partisans to tell us how they think the President feels about our vets, without any real proof, only baseless accusations.
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I think how he feels is "painfully" obvious.
 
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Bronson said:
The Founders of this country would disagree
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Some may, many were all for keeping faith/religion a private matter, and out of government.

But not only are they all dead, but most of them would disagree in blacks being equal citizens to whites, women being allowed to vote or especially considered equal to men, tobacco should be viewed as something to be regulated, and that alcohol should be for those over 21. Many of them would also very likely disapprove of the our foreign affairs, including many of the wars we have had since any of them lived.
 
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roguenuke said:
Some may, many were all for keeping faith/religion a private matter, and out of government.

But not only are they all dead, but most of them would disagree in blacks being equal citizens to whites, women being allowed to vote or especially considered equal to men, tobacco should be viewed as something to be regulated, and that alcohol should be for those over 21. Many of them would also very likely disapprove of the our foreign affairs, including many of the wars we have had since any of them lived.
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They all would have
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I think how he feels is "painfully" obvious.
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I think you are basing this on personal bias, rather than what is actually going on. I'm not saying he's that great when it comes the military, but he isn't exactly as nasty as you and others make him out to be. In fact, he really has way less power in such things than most tend to believe he does.
 
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Bronson said:
They all would have
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Since they are not here, you can never prove this statement. It is only your opinion. And we have statements from many of them that contradict that they would want God/religion involved in the politics of this country.
 
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Bronson said:
You're trying way too hard. Your butthurt is showing
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You never did answer my question: How is the St. Andrews AFB Golf Course funded?
 
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Hatuey said:
You never did answer my question: How is the St. Andrews AFB Golf Course funded?
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survey says: 34%-obot Hautey want to dirk my diggler
15%-Obaminites want to place his likeness on the moon
12%-where is the birth certificate
10%-I like turtles
 
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roguenuke said:
Since they are not here, you can never prove this statement. It is only your opinion. And we have statements from many of them that contradict that they would want God/religion involved in the politics of this country.
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It's not my problem you don't know your country's History

There were 55 Founders. They were real people. Learn about them. Read their writings.

This issue is not even debatable.

Hatuey said:
You never did answer my question: How is the St. Andrews AFB Golf Course funded?
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Your premise is laughable. You're such a waste of everyone's time

Tell me genius, how is the WW2 Memorial funded? Didn't stop Obama from putting his goons in front of barricades and wiring it shut
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
survey says: 34%-obot Hautey want to dirk my diggler
15%-Obaminites want to place his likeness on the moon
12%-where is the birth certificate
10%-I like turtles
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He's so funny to watch when it comes to that question. Have you realized he has never once admitted where the golf course's funding comes from? I wonder why? He just keeps diverting to how much we hate the troops and Jesus and capitalism.
 
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Bronson said:
It's not my problem you don't know your country's History

There were 55 Founders. They were real people. Learn about them. Read their writings.

This issue is not even debatable.
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Yes they were real people with different opinions and beliefs. Plenty of that writing says what I did, that some of them did not believe that religion should be in government, nor that government should be in anyone's religious beliefs.
 
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Bronson said:
It's not my problem you don't know your country's History

There were 55 Founders. They were real people. Learn about them. Read their writings.

This issue is not even debatable.
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Here are two that wouldn't:

George Washington said:
Allowing rights and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it were by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
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Thomas Jefferson said:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
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roguenuke said:
Yes they were real people with different opinions and beliefs. Plenty of that writing says what I did, that some of them did not believe that religion should be in government, nor that government should be in anyone's religious beliefs.
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False premise

The Founders never intended for there to be a state religion. You're confusing belief in God and Jesus Christ and living by those principles to a state created and endorsed official religion. Even Jefferson was a strong admirer of Jesus Christ and his teachings. The 10 commandments are in the Supreme Court.

Read the history from The Puritans to The Founders. This issue is not debatable.
 
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Bronson said:
False premise

The Founders never intended for there to be a state religion. You're confusing belief in God and Jesus Christ and living by those principles to a state created and endorsed official religion. Even Jefferson was a strong admirer of Jesus Christ and his teachings.

Read the history from The Puritans to The Founders. This issue is not debatable.
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They did not mandate a belief in God either. They did not care if anyone believed in God or was a Christian. You are simply wanting that to be the case.
 
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roguenuke said:
It did not need to be open either. And there are laws already in place (apparently) pertaining to shutdowns and how they operate. You can complain all you want, but it doesn't change anything. This is a joint effort by Congress that resulted in this. Obama had little to do with any of it, no matter how much people wish to blame him. I can't stand Obamacare either (I want an NHC), but that doesn't mean that I will place blame on things like this because I understand that this is part of how our government works. It involves plenty more than just what some believe they know, including a big one being liability of the government for land they own and how this could be a problem during a shutdown where bills are not getting paid.
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Sincé when is the leader of the countryr not responsable for what happens inhis country?

Obama does have a say in what happens. The Parks Department work for him, he is their boss.
 
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Bronson said:
Your premise is laughable. You're such a waste of everyone's time

Tell me genius, how is the WW2 Memorial funded? Didn't stop Obama from putting his goons in front of barricades and wiring it shut
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Bronson, you keep diverting from the statements you made. You said Obama keeps his golf course opened. I asked you how it's funded and you've yet to answer.

Can you answer that question for us?

How is the St. Andrews AFB Golf Course funded?
 
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Hatuey said:
Here are two that wouldn't:
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Jefferson didn't sign The Constitution

Like I said. You don't know History.

Par for the course :lol:

"Separation of Church and State" was injected by Hugo Black. A KKK racist Democrat
 
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Bronson said:
Jefferson didn't sign The Constitution

Like I said. You don't know History.

Par for the course :lol:

"Separation of Church and State" was injected by Hugo Black. A KKK racist Democrat
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Thomas Jefferson was a Founding Father. Are you denying history?
 
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