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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Doesn't matter, it was going to be done on a voluntary basis, which as I shown in another post, along with the NPS is permissible, but cry baby Barry and his whiny band of loony leftys didn't want to allow it, thought it was better to punish American citizens and military. He's a disgrace.
    That is nice and all but he has yet to actually approve a budget or not. he has not vetoed anything. All he has done is shut some things down to comply with the budget. If you give him a budget we can get those things back. I do not see the blame being on him because the republicans took the money to do things away. It is not like they gave him the money and he shut those things down. He has to shut things down because they simply are not free. This is what a shutdown should be all around. I will agree that there are other things that should be shut down, but I am not saying this should stay open when the republicans are holding everything hostage. talk to them about getting things going. If Obama gets the budget which is the job of congress then he will do those things again. If he gets a budget and decides to not use it to fund these things i will join you in your anger because he would not be doing his job.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Yea and pigs fly Anyone who believes any of this is random is naive and should not be taken seriously They wired the WW2 memorial shut. Capital Police were used to pickup trash after an illegal alien rally while Vietnam vets were handcuffed and sent to jail for visiting their memorial You Obot shills have no shame and lack self awareness
    Just asking what if your source did say that differences in how different agencies receive their funding had an impact on whether or not that agency was currently operating. What then?
    Just asking.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    That is nice and all but he has yet to actually approve a budget or not. he has not vetoed anything. All he has done is shut some things down to comply with the budget. If you give him a budget we can get those things back. I do not see the blame being on him because the republicans took the money to do things away. It is not like they gave him the money and he shut those things down. He has to shut things down because they simply are not free. This is what a shutdown should be all around. I will agree that there are other things that should be shut down, but I am not saying this should stay open when the republicans are holding everything hostage. talk to them about getting things going. If Obama gets the budget which is the job of congress then he will do those things again. If he gets a budget and decides to not use it to fund these things i will join you in your anger because he would not be doing his job.
    If in the space of 30 seconds I found that it was permissible to allow volunteers to handle things he damn well sure knew, he knew and he ignored it. He'd rather be a vindictive scumbag and hurt American citizens and our military. 1/10 of the resources he spent to attack American citizens would have provided the more than enough people to properly supervise volunteer staff...

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you wrote:
    I know what I wrote. What do you want links to?

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    The golf course is on Federal land and we have seen that even though places are privately funded, they are closed because they are on Federal land. Why should the golf course be different?
    Land that isn't closed due to the shutdown though.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Land that isn't closed due to the shutdown though.
    Right, so it is selective.

    The other federal land didn't need to be closed, but it was.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This isn't an actual military chaplain. He is a contracted priest. And the only info on this is coming from basically the same story being repeated over and over. Nothing about where the actual chaplains are.

    And no service member is guaranteed access to chaplains whenever. Military needs outweigh a person's religious beliefs whenever they conflict. In this case, the conflict is really not that big of a deal since they are free to go somewhere else if they absolutely need to talk to a priest/chaplain.
    A catholic priest at no time will turn a way a follower in need. Period and for the government to step in and involve itself in that is shameful.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Unless the Military changed drastically in the almost 20 years I've been gone, on Duty days you can't leave the base.
    Which means you wait until you get off duty. Sailors only have duty one day (unless they have weekend duty for some commands, but they would then have it Sat and Sun, which means Mon they would be free to go to religious services offbase). There are plenty of watches that onduty personnel cannot leave the ship for and they are 24 hour watches. (On my ship, on duty meant we weren't supposed to leave the ship without permission that was conservatively given anyway, even just going on base, no matter which watches we had.) This would mean plenty of sailors wouldn't be able to go to those religious services, no matter where they are. If there is a policy though that members could leave the ship for religious services (not required as a policy though), I'm willing to bet that they would make exceptions for leaving the base though, within reason, for those members to attend civilian services.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    the article and the law that Redress(had to read that part to be in on the joke I suppose) thinks I should have known about or am lying that I didn't know about says you can go to jail even if you are preforming those functions voluntary
    The law exists and they cannot perform those functions onbase as official clergy even voluntarily. It goes into liability.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    A catholic priest at no time will turn a way a follower in need. Period and for the government to step in and involve itself in that is shameful.
    And being contracted, it means he should have access to a church offbase where they could go. He has no right to be on base during a shutdown to begin with, even if he is contracted to do work during non-shutdown times. So his services should be done offbase and he would have no problem fulfilling the obligations of his faith.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Right, so it is selective.

    The other federal land didn't need to be closed, but it was.
    It did not need to be open either. And there are laws already in place (apparently) pertaining to shutdowns and how they operate. You can complain all you want, but it doesn't change anything. This is a joint effort by Congress that resulted in this. Obama had little to do with any of it, no matter how much people wish to blame him. I can't stand Obamacare either (I want an NHC), but that doesn't mean that I will place blame on things like this because I understand that this is part of how our government works. It involves plenty more than just what some believe they know, including a big one being liability of the government for land they own and how this could be a problem during a shutdown where bills are not getting paid.
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