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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    There are too many people whining about playing politics when it is simply the other side doing what normally happens. In reality it means if you are not in power your perks are going to be less when the people opposing them are in power. It is about democracy in a society that tends to vote on things, and some people need to get used to it.
    Well, we are a representative democracy with a parlimenterian system for a reason. And minority parties have always used the quirks of that system to their advantage. Just look at places wghere minority parties play the role of king maker, in appointing a prime minister, or are able to win undue cabinet influence due to being key coalition members.

    Here, some of the most notorious examples are the filibuster and the appointment process. Where the majority party always bitches, but does nothing to actually overhaul it. Because they know they will eventually be that minority in need to level that undue influence.

    Like I said, it's just how politics works.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It is called a shutdown and religious services being offered on taxpayer dime are not essential. If you do not like it feel free to restart the government and all of it's services. No you do not just get what you want when you force everything to shutdown. That is not how it works, and yes this means that we will not be paying for catholicism in the mean time and I am OK with that.

    I do have to say the mass amount of whining and complaining about the shutdown seems to be coming from the people who want it. You wanted it now suck it up.
    You tell that to soldiers in the field who find comfort in their religious teachings. Before they have to sling a rifle and fight.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It is not surprising considering we have a democrat president. If we had a republican president there would be more leeway for programs they liked and dislike. The republicans expect their stuff to happen and the dems to take the hit for their hissy fit and i see no reason for that to be the case. the republicans want to play this game and part of that is sucking it up for the sacrifices they deem necessary for the end to obamacare. Any time they do not want it we can have a vote in the house on the CR and be done with it. If you want to call that playing politics that is fine. i call it dealing with the consequences of the choices you make. It is the same thing as dealing with getting arrested for illegal protests. It is the same thing as being arrested for not paying your taxes out of protest. It is the same thing as paying the fine rather than getting health insurance. It is just the system. If you cannot get the vbotes to change things then they should not change for you unless the laws are unconsitutional which in the case of Obamacare they are not.
    Carter and Clinton did none of this during shut downs. But please tell us how it would be with a republican prez.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Yea ok

    Obama's golf course is still open
    The golf course is funded by user fees, not taxpayer dollars - as has been noted in other threads - and this one.
    Last edited by Somerville; 10-09-13 at 11:00 AM.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You tell that to soldiers in the field who find comfort in their religious teachings. Before they have to sling a rifle and fight.
    Georgia is now to be considered "in the field"? When did the state secede?
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Georgia is now to be considered "in the field"? When did the state secede?
    Doesnt matter where. Soldiers in Georgia can be called up at a moments notice and sent into battle.
    And if you knew anything about military chaplains. Their religion is more important than their service to the branch of the military they belong.
    Hopefully one day soon, all people here in the US will turn their backs on the military and those in will quit it when its time to get out vs re upping.

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    Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The golf course on Andrews Airforce base has remained open. Obama closed down the stores so people couldn't buy food, but he left his golf course open

    Troops Forage for Food While Golfers Play On in Shutdown - Bloomberg



    The Government isn't shut down. 83% of it is running smoothly. It's still going to pay it's bills. Enough with the histrionics. Go back to your handlers and have them type you up some different talking points.

    Whatever your handlers in the Obama Administration are paying you, it's not enough
    The DoD would have made the decision, not the POTUS.

    Time to put down the Koolaid.

    You can't really believe this garbage.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Wait are you claiming Obama doesn't have the money to keep the memorials and church's open?

    You aren't seriously making that contention right? Let me ask you:

    How are those war memorials funded?

    I mean seriously, the grocery stores are closed but the golf courses are open? Bad optics anyone? Obama just played another round there last week after he got done scaremongering the Economy. Like I told the other Obot, your Obama handlers are not paying you enough for what you do
    And how is it funded? The exchanges stayed open while the commissaries closed because the exchanges are considered non-profits that pay for their own operations through sales and "profits" go to MWR (which also helps to keep open any MWR funded places during shutdowns). Commissaries however are actually tax-payer funded. This is also why commissary baggers work for tips instead of actual pay. Commissaries run at a loss, made up for via tax-payers.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Doesnt matter where. Soldiers in Georgia can be called up at a moments notice and sent into battle.
    And if you knew anything about military chaplains. Their religion is more important than their service to the branch of the military they belong.
    Hopefully one day soon, all people here in the US will turn their backs on the military and those in will quit it when its time to get out vs re upping.
    This isn't an actual military chaplain. He is a contracted priest. And the only info on this is coming from basically the same story being repeated over and over. Nothing about where the actual chaplains are.

    And no service member is guaranteed access to chaplains whenever. Military needs outweigh a person's religious beliefs whenever they conflict. In this case, the conflict is really not that big of a deal since they are free to go somewhere else if they absolutely need to talk to a priest/chaplain.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    what does that have to do with the article you posted or the fact that golf course is funded by user fees? I'm sorry if this process confuses you, but you don't get to call a mulligan because you got your card pulled over making buffoonish claims




    I literally just got done posting in another thread about how Obama has been a completely failure as both political leader and his role as an executive. Seriously, do you even think about what you're posting, or are you some type of semi-sentient spambot that just rattles off pre-programmed bull**** because you lack the intelligence to write something meaningful?




    Actually I wouldn't even care, due to the fact it's the type of political fodder that appeals to dip****s
    The golf course is on Federal land and we have seen that even though places are privately funded, they are closed because they are on Federal land. Why should the golf course be different?

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