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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Who is Commander in Chief?



    That is a prohibition.



    You said his religion put him at odds, I didn't. They can, never said otherwise. He could, but that isn't what Buddhism is about.
    Doesn't matter who the CIC is. The commanders would be wrong, not him. If found out to be the case, which requires an investigation, not simple assumptions made by random people on the internet, then it would require a certain amount of time to find out the truth. Then disciplinary action should be taken against any base/ship commander who is found to have violated any laws/rules in preventing a servicemember from being able to obtain religious services offbase. However, I doubt this would be the case anyway due to the way the military works. And it would have nothing to do with the President unless he himself order they be prevented from seeking military services offbase (when not available onbase) or at the least did not punish those who would do so wrongly. (But this would still not be known to even have happened for much longer than a couple of days.)

    Are people allowed to come on base to preach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster without permission from at least the base commander? If not, then they are being prohibited from practicing their religion wherever they want.

    You, like others, make the mistake that just because a person's beliefs are not held by a large amount of people, it somehow means that their beliefs are not legitimately a "religion" so somehow shouldn't be respected as such.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    YOu can't have it both ways. If Obama can't spend money, then he can't spend money to, how you said, allow parks to get destroyed or people get hurt inthe parks.

    Spending money is spending money.

    By the way, how much does it cost to leave an area open ?
    Um, actually, certain types of expenditures are currently allowed and certain types of expenditures are not. Yes, it happens both ways. The **** are you on about?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You, like others, make the mistake that just because a person's beliefs are not held by a large amount of people, it somehow means that their beliefs are not legitimately a "religion" so somehow shouldn't be respected as such.

    Not in the slightest. I expect people who say they are of a religion to actually adhere to that religion. Like Catholicism for example. You can't be pro abortion, and claim that it is your faith in Catholicism which makes you pro-abortion, you can't do it, there is no room for it in Catholicism. It goes directly against Catholic teaching. There are no pro abortion Catholics. To openly profess that you are pro abortion, pro same sex marriage, pro anything that goes against the Church's teaching and to openly profess such according to Canon Law means you've excommunicated yourself from the Church.

    Yes, I do realize I'm a unique snowflake like everyone else but I do make sure that distinction is made when I speak on these matters, because definitions, whether or not they don't line up to a self serving agenda do matter. A perfect example of this is myself. Now I'm all over this site in promoting Catholic Social Teaching. In my ethical view I find in our current time and place, that Catholic social doctrine is the most secure way for us as a society to move forward. I converted to Catholicism a few years back, but here's the onion, I don't openly profess to be a Catholic because my views and the views of the Church at this time don't align ontologically.

    I am panentheistic in my ontology whereas the Catholic Church, more or less, is not. So, I don't go and say that I'm a Catholic and the Catholic Church has got to make room for my ontological determinations, those determinations are mine, not the Church's. I can get into a heated theological debate, maybe change hearts and minds, which then would provide for an organic evolution in the understanding of ontological subjects but as they are right now, I am at odds. I follow, or I should say I try to follow the ethics the Church has taught, I openly advocate for them on ethical matters, but nowhere, in no way am I self righteous or self deluded enough to presume that the Catholic Church needs to dilute itself, to change its stance, to conform to my own personal interpretation on things. I state that the Church teaches this, and this, and I support this but I disagree on that, therefore, since I am not in communion with what the Church teaches in its entirety, I openly discuss, advocate, and promote an ontological construct which differs with that of the Church, I DO NOT CALL MYSELF CATHOLIC.

    So in short, you can have a religion of 1, you can believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Buddha are the ying and yang of Jesus Christ's Islam, as he sits on the Brahma bull chanting Hare krishna to Shiva. That could be your religion, just don't go calling it Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, or any other religion in which your beliefs don't align with those which have been established.

    That, or just call yourself protestant and be done with it.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Priest: Obama Admin. Denied Mass to Catholics


    Another attack on Religious Liberties by Obama...

    Shock me Shock me...
    Another example of our governments war on the First Amendment (and Christianity)...

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Another example of our governments war on the First Amendment (and Christianity)...
    Except for all the parts that aren't actually true, anyway.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Just more of the Obama administration trying to hurt as many people as possible, knowing the media will blame Republicans for it.
    I hope this ultimately backfires on him and Democrats.



    It won't, but the GOP will likely pay a price for this shutdown. Read the news. The future doesn't look good for the GOP.

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