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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Like I said, I am not playing pretend with you. We deal with reality here. We do not live in fauxland.
    Than that makes your posts all the more troublesome, becaue you're showing what I've always said, what you think and what you believe is your reality and boy, what a world you live in...

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It is probably because Obama is not a tyrant
    Denial isn't just a river in Egypt you know...

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You really want to double down on this?

    I didn't say your story is false, I said that him saying his Buddhism wanting him to find inner peace in the mountains is BS. If he is being taught that, than he's going on a Jim Jones field trip, because yes, I am aware of the many different schools of Buddhism and none of them have the goal of anything other than being here, right here, in the space between your breath, right now where you are, there is no place to be, there is no other place you can go, but here, in this moment... your past is delusion your future illusion, Now, right now. Being present in this moment. There is no path to enlightenment because there is no enlightenment. The Buddha is a dried piece of monkey crap. Do you understand? No, I don't believe you do, so please do yourself a favor and don't speak on that which you obviously know little about. Don't get pissy, don't get snotty, I'm sure you know about a lot of things, but this just isn't one of them.

    They were available and able to be made, the vindictive, sadistic, less than a man named Obama violated their 1st amendment rights, you know make no prohibition on the free exercise thereof? Yeah, well he did.
    Actually, he is not preventing them from exercising their religion at all.

    First of all, it would be the fault of base/command COs who wouldn't make accommodations for those sailors that might need it to go off base to fulfill any religious obligations they needed to meet. (Of course again, if this is going to impact the military negatively, then they will just have to suck it up as part of being a servicemember. The military is only obligated to try to accommodate religious needs, not to always make such accommodations when they would negatively impact the servicemember's military job.)

    Second, the priests could still offer services off base to those who needed them. They were not prevented from practicing their religion either, only from practicing their religion in a specific place, on base.

    Plus, why do you assume that someone else had to tell him that he needed to be in the mountains? Why can people not feel their own beliefs are as such without being told by someone else? Why could he not feel that his spirit was meant to be finding enlightenment in the mountains somewhere rather than on a ship?
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They did not mandate a belief in God either. They did not care if anyone believed in God or was a Christian. You are simply wanting that to be the case.
    Not a christian nation? Look at your money.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not a christian nation? Look at your money.
    It means that some fearmongers in the 1950s got their way and we simply don't have the funds to change it at the moment. Plenty of people in the US would gladly change it.

    In fact, it could easily be taken as meaning that money is the god of many Americans.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    That first link actually shows obama is not a tyrant. A tyrant does not have to worry about lieing cheating and stealing because they are in power. Obama can be impeached if he acts wrongly. Obviously not a tyrant.

    LOL. As long as he has other tyrants in power controlling the Senate, he won't be impeached. Should the GOP take the Senate and remain in control of the House, Obama will start obeying the law and meeting his constitutional obligations or his a** will be impeached.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. As long as he has other tyrants in power controlling the Senate, he won't be impeached. Should the GOP take the Senate and remain in control of the House, Obama will start obeying the law and meeting his constitutional obligations or his a** will be impeached.
    Yeah, a tyrant is typically alone.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The laws that govern certain things about this situation prevent Obama from doing things though that require money, since Congress funds such things, not the President. He cannot allow our parks to get destroyed or people to get hurt in the parks because they are not being funded properly to ensure that people won't be hurt. It may seem to be so easy, but it isn't. Congress holds the main blame here, all of Congress, not the President.
    YOu can't have it both ways. If Obama can't spend money, then he can't spend money to, how you said, allow parks to get destroyed or people get hurt inthe parks.

    Spending money is spending money.

    By the way, how much does it cost to leave an area open ?

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    YOu can't have it both ways. If Obama can't spend money, then he can't spend money to, how you said, allow parks to get destroyed or people get hurt inthe parks.

    Spending money is spending money.

    By the way, how much does it cost to leave an area open ?
    Actually, he is authorized to enforce laws pertaining to government shutdown periods, including closing public parks. Now, I haven't read up on the immigration event or what it was about that people were complaining about, but if it happened and it was paid for by public funds during a shutdown, then it is bad and he is to blame for that event. Notice, that single event if it occurred as some are saying.

    However, it is wrong to complain about how he is not funding something you want through executive orders when such things are not supposed to be done, whether he has done it in the past or not. He shouldn't be doing it at all.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, he is not preventing them from exercising their religion at all.

    First of all, it would be the fault of base/command COs who wouldn't make accommodations for those sailors that might need it to go off base to fulfill any religious obligations they needed to meet. (Of course again, if this is going to impact the military negatively, then they will just have to suck it up as part of being a servicemember. The military is only obligated to try to accommodate religious needs, not to always make such accommodations when they would negatively impact the servicemember's military job.)
    Who is Commander in Chief?

    Second, the priests could still offer services off base to those who needed them. They were not prevented from practicing their religion either, only from practicing their religion in a specific place, on base.
    That is a prohibition.

    Plus, why do you assume that someone else had to tell him that he needed to be in the mountains? Why can people not feel their own beliefs are as such without being told by someone else? Why could he not feel that his spirit was meant to be finding enlightenment in the mountains somewhere rather than on a ship?
    You said his religion put him at odds, I didn't. They can, never said otherwise. He could, but that isn't what Buddhism is about.

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