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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it is asking about doing something illegal and wrong for your priorities in government spending vice doing something for Obama's priorities in government spending. Easy question that you fail to answer because you know that you would not approve of his priorities, only yours.
    Your premise is a joke. The Government is running at 85% capacity. The EBT cards are still swiping. Your welfare check is still on it's way.

    Obama's priorities in spending couldn't be more crystal clear. They are so clear he's bankrupting the nation. Suddenly when he can't borrow more money he doesn't have the money to pay KIA families to come to the funerals, but he has the money to buy beach bums in La Jolla lobster. This is what happens when people become reliant upon Government. What would happen if Obama tried to really use this shutdown to stop feeding all the millions of welfare obots out there. What's going to happen if he shuts off their Obama phones. He's already trying to take our guns. What's going to happen when that EBT card gets rejected. What if Obama turned off the welfare benefits just like he's turned off the benefits for these military families.

    You're saying it yourself and even making my case for me. Those "poor people" can't survive without Government. Without "altruistic" Obama providing for them. Obama only wants to control your HC and create the largest database in human history because he cares about you right?

    Look at how he uses it as political theatre. He causes the pain and then uses people the MSM to run the sob narrative to try and scare everyone that only the government can make things right. People are waking up to this Alinsky spectacle however which is why Obama is going down in the polls. Both parties are because they have become corrupt and controlled by big banks and corporations. You're telling me if you were President of the United States (The Commander in Chief) you'd let these benefits not be paid to these military families? Are you kidding me right now? Clearly Obama has failed in his role as Commander in Chief here and Hagel has failed miserably as well. Hagel is Obama's pick. Obama is responsible. I don't know what your morality is, but a President can easily sign an executive order to fund this. He'd be performing his role as Commander in Chief. You're confusing Obama's role as Commander in Chief with Obama's fantasy prog/obot narrative that Obama is everyone's Daddy.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    By volunteering for the military, people have promised that their religious "obligations" will take second to their jobs. If that means that they cannot get off base on Sunday for whatever reason, then they will have to just deal with that. It would be no difference than them being on duty and there simply not being a way for them to get off duty to make it to Mass on Sunday.


    That is all fine and well, the DoD policy is to allow for religious accommodation. It blows my mind the lengths people will go, the back flips, cartwheels, and nose dives people will take, the complete asininity they will conjure to protect Obama's sorry ass...to justify this unseemly behavior, to justify his attacks on members of our Armed Forces and the citizens of these United States...I guess people truly do love their Big Brother...


    The bottom line is that this didn't need to happen. Obama wanted it to happen. So piss on Obama.

    I knew a guy who was Buddhist in the Navy and he was struggling with the fact that his own religion would have him finding inner peace in the mountains or somewhere more peaceful than the bowels of a ship. Many people sacrifice religious "obligations" for military service.
    Well, if that's what he was struggling with, than he was missing the entire point...and no "his own religion" doesn't have him finding inner peace in the mountains, or whatever cockamamie nonsense your anecdote is trying to deliver

    Should probably not try using a Buddhist example to justify a line of reasoning with someone who has a Buddhist monk as an Avatar, he just might know a thing or two and he might call BS on things that don't jive...

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Or it could be because of the law. I know, fact checking is hard...
    Do you mean like the laws governing the freedom of religion? And which law do you suppose would forbid, for instance a wedding, where the Government is being charged nothing, and all participants are preforming voluntarily? And if any law is to be so construed, what do you suppose the purpose of such a tortured interpretation might be?

    Fact checking may be hard, but as you so elegantly illustrated for the class, thinking is more difficult still.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Sorry. you mean like the laws governing the freedom of religion? And which law do you suppose would forbid, for instance a wedding, where the Government is being charged nothing, and all participants are preforming voluntarily? And if any law is to be so construed, what do you suppose the purpose of such a tortured interpretation might be?

    Fact checking may be hard, but as you so elegantly illustrated for the class, thinking is more difficult still.
    Oh good lord...

    No one's freedom of religion is being violated. There is no requirement to provide catholic services to service members on base. No one is saying they cannot meet, cannot worship, cannot attend services off base. Please learn the constitution.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh good lord...

    No one's freedom of religion is being violated. There is no requirement to provide catholic services to service members on base. No one is saying they cannot meet, cannot worship, cannot attend services off base. Please learn the constitution.
    Yes. the Federal
    Government, the
    Executive Branch to be specific, is forbidding the chaplains from participating in a voluntary fashion, thus depriving the Servicemen of the free exercise of their religion. I'm sorry, but to state otherwise is simply absurd, and shows a marked ignorance of the practices of the Catholic Church to boot.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Yes. the Federal
    Government, the
    Executive Branch to be specific, is forbidding the chaplains from participating in a voluntary fashion, thus depriving the Servicemen of the free exercise of their religion. I'm sorry, but to state otherwise is simply absurd, and shows a marked ignorance of the practices of the Catholic Church to boot.
    You would have a point if the reason they where forbidden was based on religion. It is not, it is based on contract type. Also note these are not chaplains, but civilians.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You would have a point if the reason they where forbidden was based on religion. It is not, it is based on contract type. Also note these are not chaplains, but civilians.
    Catholic military chaplains face ARREST during Obama’s Government Shutdown | Fr. Z's Blog

    Because of the U.S. government shutdown, Catholic chaplains in the military have been ordered to stop celebrating Mass on bases | Patriactionary

    Chaplains.

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Your premise is a joke. The Government is running at 85% capacity. The EBT cards are still swiping. Your welfare check is still on it's way.

    Obama's priorities in spending couldn't be more crystal clear. They are so clear he's bankrupting the nation. Suddenly when he can't borrow more money he doesn't have the money to pay KIA families to come to the funerals, but he has the money to buy beach bums in La Jolla lobster. This is what happens when people become reliant upon Government. What would happen if Obama tried to really use this shutdown to stop feeding all the millions of welfare obots out there. What's going to happen if he shuts off their Obama phones. He's already trying to take our guns. What's going to happen when that EBT card gets rejected. What if Obama turned off the welfare benefits just like he's turned off the benefits for these military families.

    You're saying it yourself and even making my case for me. Those "poor people" can't survive without Government. Without "altruistic" Obama providing for them. Obama only wants to control your HC and create the largest database in human history because he cares about you right?

    Look at how he uses it as political theatre. He causes the pain and then uses people the MSM to run the sob narrative to try and scare everyone that only the government can make things right. People are waking up to this Alinsky spectacle however which is why Obama is going down in the polls. Both parties are because they have become corrupt and controlled by big banks and corporations. You're telling me if you were President of the United States (The Commander in Chief) you'd let these benefits not be paid to these military families? Are you kidding me right now? Clearly Obama has failed in his role as Commander in Chief here and Hagel has failed miserably as well. Hagel is Obama's pick. Obama is responsible. I don't know what your morality is, but a President can easily sign an executive order to fund this. He'd be performing his role as Commander in Chief. You're confusing Obama's role as Commander in Chief with Obama's fantasy prog/obot narrative that Obama is everyone's Daddy.
    Actually, due to the shutdown, reservists are iffy on whether we will be drilling and what will go on with our ATs. But yes, my husband will get paid because he is active duty military.

    No, a President should not be signing executive orders to fund things that are Congress's responsibility and why any conservative would suggest such a thing shows how partisan they truly are and how little they know about the proper powers of our government branches.
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    Re: Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    That is all fine and well, the DoD policy is to allow for religious accommodation. It blows my mind the lengths people will go, the back flips, cartwheels, and nose dives people will take, the complete asininity they will conjure to protect Obama's sorry ass...to justify this unseemly behavior, to justify his attacks on members of our Armed Forces and the citizens of these United States...I guess people truly do love their Big Brother...


    The bottom line is that this didn't need to happen. Obama wanted it to happen. So piss on Obama.



    Well, if that's what he was struggling with, than he was missing the entire point...and no "his own religion" doesn't have him finding inner peace in the mountains, or whatever cockamamie nonsense your anecdote is trying to deliver

    Should probably not try using a Buddhist example to justify a line of reasoning with someone who has a Buddhist monk as an Avatar, he just might know a thing or two and he might call BS on things that don't jive...
    There are many different sects of Buddhism in the world, so claiming that you know his story couldn't be real just because you happen to be in one of those other ones is bull. Plus, why must his personal beliefs about what might bring him enlightenment and where he should be be known to you just because you are Buddhist? Aren't there many paths to enlightenment?

    And religious accommodations are made when available or able to be made. The simple truth is that they can't always be made. And this is not Obama doing this, but the shutdown, which is Congress's fault, not Obama's.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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